Gen 2 Transmission in a Gen 1 Car - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

bhmax · 10-11-2022, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

How much did you pay for the trans? Was it from a totaled ‘22 recycler

It was the one on eBay. Ended up being $1500 shipped. Probably pricier than it should be. Hopefully we’ll see more of them (unfortunately for the owners) and the price will come down.

Irace86.2.0 · 10-11-2022, 06:00 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28497515266...SABEgISqPD_BwE

Here is another one on eBay for $1,600 plus $200 shipping. I'm probably going to do a CD009 swap unless someone shows that the second gen is a whole lot stronger than the first gen.

PulsarBeeerz · 10-11-2022, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28497515266...SABEgISqPD_BwE

Here is another one on eBay for $1,600 plus $200 shipping. I'm probably going to do a CD009 swap unless someone shows that the second gen is a whole lot stronger than the first gen.

Knowing Subaru it will be only 20% stronger to go with the 20% of additional engine output. That turbo K24 will shatter the case. lol No reason to be scared of slamming 4th all over again if you can help it.

bhmax · 10-13-2022, 01:15 PM

Got the car running with no issues, so the swap itself is no issue. It’ll just come down to if it’s actually strong enough for a given torque/driving style and availability/price.

blsfrs · 10-15-2022, 11:14 AM

I wonder if the 2nd gen has these components.

https://toyotagazooracing.com/jp/gr/grparts/86/

Irace86.2.0 · 10-15-2022, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by blsfrs

I wonder if the 2nd gen has these components.

https://toyotagazooracing.com/jp/gr/grparts/86/

Maybe. They said larger/stronger 4th and shot peening and upgraded syncros I thought. I don’t know. Cheaper just to get a used transmission than doing a rebuild with those components, unfortunately. At that point, a CD009 swap would be better. Most people are spending like $4k+ for rebuilt stock transmissions.

86league · 11-08-2022, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bhmax

Got the car running with no issues, so the swap itself is no issue. It’ll just come down to if it’s actually strong enough for a given torque/driving style and availability/price.

So the 2nd gen bolts up and the connectors for the trans are the same - no modification needed for a 2nd gen trans in a 1st gen car?

bhmax · 11-09-2022, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 86league

So the 2nd gen bolts up and the connectors for the trans are the same - no modification needed for a 2nd gen trans in a 1st gen car?

Yep. All the same.

Sasquachulator · 11-09-2022, 05:07 PM

So does it actually feel different in any way?

Would that just be due to the upgraded/tweaked components inside?

bhmax · 11-09-2022, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

So does it actually feel different in any way?

Would that just be due to the upgraded/tweaked components inside?

Well, it doesn’t suck, but I was coming from bad 3rd and 4th gear synchros so anything would be better.😆 I’m not sure it would actually be any better than a brand new 1st gen trans feel wise, but it was the best option for me at the time.

zachseidy39 · 11-10-2022, 12:23 AM

So does this pretty much confirm that you can interchange gen 1/2 clutches? Might be nice to throw a gr86 clutch in my fr-s when it needs one if it has a slightly higher torque rating

Irace86.2.0 · 01-12-2023, 01:05 AM

I just did the gen 2 swap because it was the cheapest and fastest swap for now to get me into something newer and slightly stronger. Everything bolts right up. I swapped the MTEC springs, Verus forged fork and billet pivot. I'm using a South Bend Endurance clutch that is a kevlar clutch rated to 450tq. We will see how everything works out with my K24 turbo. I'll be taking the car to the dyno in a few weeks. Shooting for 450whp and 350wtq.

Breadman · 01-12-2023, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I just did the gen 2 swap because it was the cheapest and fastest swap for now to get me into something newer and slightly stronger. Everything bolts right up. I swapped the MTEC springs, Verus forged fork and billet pivot. I'm using a South Bend Endurance clutch that is a kevlar clutch rated to 450tq. We will see how everything works out with my K24 turbo. I'll be taking the car to the dyno in a few weeks. Shooting for 450whp and 350wtq.

Following this closely. I dont expect my trans to hold up my highboost pulley build for much longer.

Irace86.2.0 · 01-12-2023, 11:09 AM

My power goals are less than what people have done with the FA20 on the gen 1 transmission, so if it holds on the dyno, that won’t be saying much empirically.

10-11-2022, 06:00 PM	#16
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01-12-2023, 01:05 AM	#26
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01-12-2023, 11:09 AM	#28
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