2022 Nissan Z Coupe

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I dunno about that...the current Z in Canada starts off at just over 30k CAD and maxes out just under 50k CAD

The Supra starts off at 56k CAD for the 4 banger and can get closer to 70k CAD.

Theres something more than price that will make customers favor one of these over the other.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Idk if the Z will be offered with all the goodies we see on a loaded Supra. But base for base, those that brought the 4 banger should have just waited. Don't know or care about the auto. A 6 speed Z is what interests me.

Well the base 2.0T Supra has a ZF8, which is nice. It still has a more premium interior and options. I made a list one time of all the standard features of the Supra vs 86, and there is a lot. The Z is more like a Mustang GT; it is a big engine in a cheap car. The Z just doesn’t offer a 2.0T or NA 2.7L V6 or something that starts in the mid-twenties like the Mustang. The Supra is more like the Z4; a premium/luxury car that offers an entry engine and base features.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Admittedly, that won’t make up the bulk of sales or be the deciding factor for most buyers. If most of the sales will be autos because that is the state of American car sales then a good automatic is key. That is where the Supra might be better. I dunno.

Personally, the lack of a manual option is why the Supra is forever off the list.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Well the base 2.0T Supra has a ZF8, which is nice. It still has a more premium interior and options. I made a list one time of all the standard features of the Supra vs 86, and there is a lot. The Z is more like a Mustang GT; it is a big engine in a cheap car. The Z just doesn’t offer a 2.0T or NA 2.7L V6 or something that starts in the mid-twenties like the Mustang. The Supra is more like the Z4; a premium/luxury car that offers an entry engine and base features.

It is, but I think that's what will sell in this market. The Z is and has always been relatively affordable sports car for the mass, just like Stang.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Admittedly, that won’t make up the bulk of sales or be the deciding factor for most buyers. If most of the sales will be autos because that is the state of American car sales then a good automatic is key. That is where the Supra might be better. I dunno.

Personally, the lack of a manual option is why the Supra is forever off the list.

I was just saying what I prefer. I have no idea the breakdown of auto vs manaul 370z sales.

I think pricing will be a big factor as well, and the number you keep throwing around probably isn't too far off. Also, a lot of people like the looks of the Z better than the Zupra. C&D poll has the Z at 85% to the Zupra's 15%.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

It is, but I think that's what will sell in this market. The Z is and has always been relatively affordable sports car for the mass, just like Stang.

Agreed, until it became the ZX for a while.

All I’m saying is Supra owners might not have any regret no different than how a new Z or a new Mustang might not provide any regret for Z4 buyers.

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

I was just saying what I prefer. I have no idea the breakdown of auto vs manaul 370z sales.

I think pricing will be a big factor as well, and the number you keep throwing around isn't too far off. Also, a lot of people like the looks of the Z better than the Zupra. C&D poll has the Z at 85% to the Zupra's 15%.

Well, you were answering an open statement that was referring to overall sales with a picture, so I only assumed this referred to others besides yourself, and I was saying that the Z will get the manual loyalists that the Supra couldn’t, but this is a small fraction of buyers.

I think they are for different audiences with some overlap. The Supra is a cheaper Cayman or Corvette alternative for those that don’t want to move more upmarket. It is also a more premium pony car or Z alternative for those wanting to move upmarket in quality. I wouldn’t compare them head to head, even if buyers cross-shop.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Looks like the 370z enjoyed some pretty high manual take rate. This source claims 46% where manual in 2019.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Agreed, until it became the ZX for a while.

All I’m saying is Supra owners might not have any regret no different than how a new Z or a new Mustang might not provide any regret for Z4 buyers.

Well, you were answering an open statement that was referring to overall sales with a picture, so I only assumed this referred to others besides yourself, and I was saying that the Z will get the manual loyalists that the Supra couldn’t, but this is a small fraction of buyers.

I think they are for different audiences with some overlap. The Supra is a cheaper Cayman or Corvette alternative for those that don’t want to move more upmarket. It is also a more premium pony car or Z alternative for those wanting to move upmarket in quality. I wouldn’t compare them head to head, even if buyers cross-shop.

Even then it was still cheaper than the A80. The price increased in 1994 was in part due to the rising Yen.

Yeah we keep going back and forth on this. Regardless of how you and I may feel on the matter the Z and Zupra will be compared to non-stop, and even you yourself said will be cross shopped. Whether or not something is or isn't meant to directly compete with X doesn't mean it won't have an effect on Y.

Right, and later I added more onto the conversation. Looks, price, and manual is the deciding factor for me, and probably others as well.

I think they are both gunning for the same audiences. Both are turbo six, two seaters and pretty much the same size.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by gymratter

https://www.400zclub.com/forum/threa...z-z-proto.145/

I like it. It may just be the angles, but I'm noticing some lines on the front that weren't as apparent with the yellow on the proto. The solid grey color also really looks nice over the two-tone black and yellow as well.

I'm looking forward to it. I would definitely take this over the MKV Supra any day of the week.

[blackhawkdown]

As a GR Supra owner and a fan of the 370z, The 400z looks more like a refresh 370z. The concern I have with 400z is the auto will not be anywhere as good as the ZF in the Supra if the Q60 auto is used. Are the oil cooling issues fixed? Does the Z still feel like a brute Mustang?

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by gymratter

https://www.400zclub.com/forum/threa...ge-2#post-3233

slightly relevant for people that care... these two cars were shipped via air, hence the excessive strapping.

this was probably a freight forwarding warehouse at LAX, even the Korean Air cargo terminal.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by KR-S

I like it. It may just be the angles, but I'm noticing some lines on the front that weren't as apparent with the yellow on the proto. The solid grey color also really looks nice over the two-tone black and yellow as well.

I'm looking forward to it. I would definitely take this over the MKV Supra any day of the week.

i think color makes a big differences. in the larger pics we see that the grille area is slightly different. nothing major, the average person probably couldnt even tell the differences.

same here, supposedly it will be lighter and cheaper than the 3.0 Supra.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Even then it was still cheaper than the A80. The price increased in 1994 was in part due to the rising Yen.

Yeah we keep going back and forth on this. Regardless of how you and I may feel on the matter the Z and Zupra will be compared to non-stop, and even you yourself said will be cross shopped. Whether or not something is or isn't meant to directly compete with X doesn't mean it won't have an effect on Y.

Right, and later I added more onto the conversation. Looks, price, and manual is the deciding factor for me, and probably others as well.

I think they are both gunning for the same audiences. Both are turbo six, two seaters and pretty much the same size.

Well, the window sticker was like $43k and that is like $70k+ in today’s money, but regardless, the ZX trim denoted the change to luxury, as described below:

Compared to the more overtly sporting earlier models, the 280ZX was a much softer, heavier car, with less focus on driving and more on driver comfort and refinement.[1] Softer suspension, better sound insulation, more comfortable seats, and ample equipment including high-end audio systems defined the new ZX.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9e6...an-300zx-turbo
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_S130

They are close enough. I think the $10-15k potential difference in price is a reflection of the premium features, but also the ZF8, adaptive suspension, active diff, etc. Add those to a $35k Z and the Supra and Z would probably be within $5k-7k difference. That is the difference between a premium and economy segment. It is close enough I guess. Apparently the Supra owners have the Z and C8, low and high, to be jealous and have regret. I still doubt it though.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

They are close enough. I think the $10-15k potential difference in price is a reflection of the premium features, but also the ZF8, adaptive suspension, active diff, etc. Add those to a $35k Z and the Supra and Z would probably be within $5k-7k difference. That is the difference between a premium and economy segment. It is close enough I guess. Apparently the Supra owners have the Z and C8, low and high, to be jealous and have regret. I still doubt it though.

We're assuming Nissan is going to offer all those opitions. The Z proto had regular spring suspensions. Kinda hard to make a good estimate without seeing the option list. My prediction is the new Z will take a good chunck of sales away from the Zupra. I also wouldn't be shocked if Toyota dropped the 2.0 altogether. They should have just taken what is offered on the base 2.0 and paired it with the 2020 MY B58C as a base entry level model. Maybe, maybe not, but I know a number of them were pretty salty when the Z proto was shown with a manual.