twins vs last gen cayman?

[perryair]

for anyone who changed from a twin over to a last generation cayman (not the s), how do you find the difference in driving experience? it seems like it would be somewhat familiar, with 275 hp and 213 tq - that youd need to wring the power out in revs and that you'd really have fun throwing it around corners. and certainly its a more expensive car, but a few year old model is around the price of most new entry level luxury sedans/crossovers these days..

i really enjoy my brz and it provides tons of joy, but just thinking of what the next car will be when it comes time!

[~el~jefe~]

that 213 torque is yummy. Every 20 torque is a huge thing in cars of our size and weight. imagine 60 more torque! I am not helping much as I never drove one, but that car seems badass. the 2006 Mini cooper s has just about 191 torque and it really is powerful, everyone was surprised who drove it. 2750 lbs about and with that torque it was great.

[funwheeldrive]

Just curious, but why not spring for the S? It seems like it would be worth the extra cost.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by perryair

for anyone who changed from a twin over to a last generation cayman (not the s), how do you find the difference in driving experience? it seems like it would be somewhat familiar, with 275 hp and 213 tq - that youd need to wring the power out in revs and that you'd really have fun throwing it around corners. and certainly its a more expensive car, but a few year old model is around the price of most new entry level luxury sedans/crossovers these days..

i really enjoy my brz and it provides tons of joy, but just thinking of what the next car will be when it comes time!

The last generation is a 4-cyl turbo and outputs 300 hp. Are you thinking on this one or the previous generation with the 6-cyl engine and the 275 hp?

[SUB-FT86]

Just boost your car. I waited 2.5 years to do it so It feels like I owned 2 cars because of that.

[86 South Africa]

Originally Posted by perryair

for anyone who changed from a twin over to a last generation cayman (not the s), how do you find the difference in driving experience? it seems like it would be somewhat familiar, with 275 hp and 213 tq - that youd need to wring the power out in revs and that you'd really have fun throwing it around corners. and certainly its a more expensive car, but a few year old model is around the price of most new entry level luxury sedans/crossovers these days..

i really enjoy my brz and it provides tons of joy, but just thinking of what the next car will be when it comes time!

I drove an older model boxster and a cayman... Just not lastest gen ones.
And it’s a similar car in terms of the driving dynamics. Engaging, fun, and good quality (even the older 2 I drove). The roof down on a sunny day was great fun, but I’d own a cayman rather (more practical and a smidge better to drive).

Personally going to keep my twin for a long time and have fun modding it and enjoying it for what it is - a brilliant rwd platform!

Hopefully in time when I am ready I can afford a new Porsche too

[perryair]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Just curious, but why not spring for the S? It seems like it would be worth the extra cost.

my *want* combination of having the newest model year for a price that is actually realistic leads to the regular and not the S. i'm pretty happy with the power on my lightly modded brz and im pretty sure that i would feel totally fine with the power on the regular as well.

[perryair]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

The last generation is a 4-cyl turbo and outputs 300 hp. Are you thinking on this one or the previous generation with the 6-cyl engine and the 275 hp?

i was thinking about the 981 previous gen not the 718 current gen.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

The last generation is a 4-cyl turbo and outputs 300 hp. Are you thinking on this one or the previous generation with the 6-cyl engine and the 275 hp?

The last generation is just that, the last. They are referred to as 981's and had naturally aspirated flat 6 engines. The CURRENT generation is the 718, with 4 cylinder engines. Technically they're 982's but I don't know anyone that calls them that.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

The last generation is just that, the last. They are referred to as 981's and had naturally aspirated flat 6 engines. The CURRENT generation is the 718, with 4 cylinder engines. Technically they're 982's but I don't know anyone that calls them that.

Yes, I got his point. I also prefer the 981's with the flat 6 engine. I've seen the current ones and although they are faster, they look cheaper to me.

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yes, I got his point. I also prefer the 981's with the flat 6 engine. I've seen the current ones and although they are faster, they look cheaper to me.

I think they look awesome. Like a baby Ferrari or something. I'll probably be looking for a current generation S at some point when they become the previous generation.

[paiceyfan]

Originally Posted by perryair

for anyone who changed from a twin over to a last generation cayman (not the s), how do you find the difference in driving experience? it seems like it would be somewhat familiar, with 275 hp and 213 tq - that youd need to wring the power out in revs and that you'd really have fun throwing it around corners. and certainly its a more expensive car, but a few year old model is around the price of most new entry level luxury sedans/crossovers these days..

i really enjoy my brz and it provides tons of joy, but just thinking of what the next car will be when it comes time!

I have been thinking the same. I love the BRZ and I am disenchanted with the current vehicles available in the market that meet my wishes, but the Cayman (S) might be it...or the next electrified BRZ

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yes, I got his point. I also prefer the 981's with the flat 6 engine. I've seen the current ones and although they are faster, they look cheaper to me.

Agreed. I think it looks cheaper because they simplified the front lower fascia. Used to have a more complex look to it. And the rear end treatment is a bit tacky/gimmicky. They're not selling well, so I wouldn't count on them having much depreciation in a few years time. Especially the Cayman, which is Porsche's smallest volume model. And the added complexity that comes with the flat four (2 stage intercooler system, active engine mounts) are not maintenance items I would want to have to deal with. I'd run far far away from that.

The flat four powered 718 isn't really THAT much faster than the old naturally aspirated flat 6 models either. Even more so if you equip both with a manual transmission (the turbo engine can take more advantage of the PDK transmission). Both will reach 60 mph in the low 4s and top out over 170 mph. The sound of the flat 6 screaming behind your head is worth a few tenths of a second penalty over the pedestrian flat 4 rumble. And don't forget the 718 gained around 100 lb of curb weight over the 981. The Cayman S C&D tested at Lightning Lap weighed 3162 lb. My 987 S weighs around 200 lb less.

[Detroiter]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Agreed. I think it looks cheaper because they simplified the front lower fascia. Used to have a more complex look to it. And the rear end treatment is a bit tacky/gimmicky. They're not selling well, so I wouldn't count on them having much depreciation in a few years time. Especially the Cayman, which is Porsche's smallest volume model. And the added complexity that comes with the flat four (2 stage intercooler system, active engine mounts) are not maintenance items I would want to have to deal with. I'd run far far away from that.

The flat four powered 718 isn't really THAT much faster than the old naturally aspirated flat 6 models either. Even more so if you equip both with a manual transmission (the turbo engine can take more advantage of the PDK transmission). Both will reach 60 mph in the low 4s and top out over 170 mph. The sound of the flat 6 screaming behind your head is worth a few tenths of a second penalty over the pedestrian flat 4 rumble. And don't forget the 718 gained around 100 lb of curb weight over the 981. The Cayman S C&D tested at Lightning Lap weighed 3162 lb. My 987 S weighs around 200 lb less.

I agree with all of these statements but one thing to keep in mind when thinking about the 718's flat 4 turbo is potential with just a tune.

I haven't looked into what tuning there is for them but generally a factory turbo car will make pretty impressive gains with just a tune and even more with exhaust components whereas a NA car will struggle to get very much from it.