Losing traction for no reason? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

julzbrz · 10-22-2021, 12:05 PM

I know people have posted about similar issues but everyone is running different setups so I figured I’d post my personal situation

Disclaimer: suspension is stock and im running 215/45/17s for my tires; same as stock. I recently got my brakes serviced and they replaced my tires too so they aren’t Michelin’s or anything fancy, but I’ve been having this problem for weeks now even before I got new tires.

So when I’m cornering, whether taking a corner hard or literally just going 25-30 mph, I’ll notice my traction light will come on and I’ll slide a bit. It seems like the back is kicking out so I’m not sure if that’s oversteer or understeer but that’s what’s happening. I usually notice it happens when I’m taking corners towards the left but I think it sometimes happens when the curves are going to the right. In the past I was able to take corners smoothly but now it seems like I really need to be careful otherwise I could spin out.

I suspect suspension issues but when I went to a shop about it they said everything was fine.. but they lied about my brakes being fine when in fact they were dog shit and i knew that beforehand so who knows what else they lied about 🤷*♀️

I also notice that sometimes when I’m going highway speeds it feels like my car is shaking/it feels like it’s swaying back and forth somewhere under my car. (if that makes sense) Could these issues be related?

Thanks always for any responses 😆 Trying to figure out if I have a real issue or not.

dragoontwo · 10-22-2021, 12:51 PM

What tires? All 4 the same tire?

Tcoat · 10-22-2021, 01:10 PM

Get your alignment checked. Not just a visual inspection but actually checked.

BigTuna · 10-22-2021, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Get your alignment checked. Not just a visual inspection but actually checked.

This.

Grady · 10-22-2021, 05:23 PM

What tires did the put on? They may have put shit tires on.

Purist · 10-22-2021, 07:13 PM

I had a similar issue. Ball joint. I'd get another shop to check your car.

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soundman98 · 10-22-2021, 08:27 PM

tire specs are important, as they could be contributing to the final result, but the real problem is your alignment.

get it put on an alignment jig, get it straightened out, and be sure to get a printout of the before/after alignment settings.

julzbrz · 10-22-2021, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dragoontwo

What tires? All 4 the same tire?

sorry i forgot to note that they only changed my rears but before i got them changed (about 2 weeks ago) they were all the same. they put on sceptors which ive never heard of so im sure theyre trash😭

julzbrz · 10-22-2021, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Purist

I had a similar issue. Ball joint. I'd get another shop to check your car.

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yeah i’m thinking something is loose which is what’s throwing me off. i’ll look for a reputable shop, thanks!

julzbrz · 10-22-2021, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Grady

What tires did the put on? They may have put shit tires on.

Sceptor 4xs? I aint never heard of those so I’m sure they threw on literally any tires and they kinda suck 😫 but it’s almost winter so i was just gonna ride them out until it starts to snow and then get winter tires. Any winter tire recommendations?

soundman98 · 10-22-2021, 09:52 PM

tirerack.com look through the reviews.

my first car accident was caused by a cheap, no-name garbage tire like that. it slipped, and slid everywhere. if the ground was even damp, ABS would kick in for many seconds, extending my anticipated braking distances by a matter of 30-50ft...

RToyo86 · 10-23-2021, 12:03 AM

So they only replaced the rear tires? Yeah that's why, and they sound like Garbage tires.
As mentioned start with alignment. If your toe is off it will cause all sorts of weird handling issues.

For deep snow driving Nokian hakkapeliitta R3, Pirelli ice zero FR, continental Vikkingcontact7's.
If you want better dry handling Pirelli sottozeros, or Michelin pilot Alpin PA4 are my picks.

saltywetman · 10-23-2021, 03:43 AM

The new michelin x-ice snows that came out last year and finally replaced the xice3's are pretty good too!

thomasmryan · 10-23-2021, 11:43 AM

one would assume the OP has checked the tire pressure.

tires are life and death. choose wisely. most crashes around here involve a wet road so rain/wet tires are prudent.

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julzbrz Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Drives: ‘14 brz Location: connecticut Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Losing traction for no reason? I know people have posted about similar issues but everyone is running different setups so I figured I’d post my personal situation Disclaimer: suspension is stock and im running 215/45/17s for my tires; same as stock. I recently got my brakes serviced and they replaced my tires too so they aren’t Michelin’s or anything fancy, but I’ve been having this problem for weeks now even before I got new tires. So when I’m cornering, whether taking a corner hard or literally just going 25-30 mph, I’ll notice my traction light will come on and I’ll slide a bit. It seems like the back is kicking out so I’m not sure if that’s oversteer or understeer but that’s what’s happening. I usually notice it happens when I’m taking corners towards the left but I think it sometimes happens when the curves are going to the right. In the past I was able to take corners smoothly but now it seems like I really need to be careful otherwise I could spin out. I suspect suspension issues but when I went to a shop about it they said everything was fine.. but they lied about my brakes being fine when in fact they were dog shit and i knew that beforehand so who knows what else they lied about 🤷*♀️ I also notice that sometimes when I’m going highway speeds it feels like my car is shaking/it feels like it’s swaying back and forth somewhere under my car. (if that makes sense) Could these issues be related? Thanks always for any responses 😆 Trying to figure out if I have a real issue or not.

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Purist Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Drives: Subaru BRZ Location: Australia Posts: 349 Thanks: 125 Thanked 261 Times in 145 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I had a similar issue. Ball joint. I'd get another shop to check your car. Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk __________________ Less More

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soundman98 ProCrastinationConsultant Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: '14 Ranger, '18 Tacoma 4Dr LB Location: chicago-ish Posts: 11,330 Thanks: 35,240 Thanked 13,673 Times in 6,781 Posts Mentioned: 98 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	tire specs are important, as they could be contributing to the final result, but the real problem is your alignment. get it put on an alignment jig, get it straightened out, and be sure to get a printout of the before/after alignment settings. __________________ "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time"

10-22-2021, 09:52 PM	#11
soundman98 ProCrastinationConsultant Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: '14 Ranger, '18 Tacoma 4Dr LB Location: chicago-ish Posts: 11,330 Thanks: 35,240 Thanked 13,673 Times in 6,781 Posts Mentioned: 98 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	tirerack.com look through the reviews. my first car accident was caused by a cheap, no-name garbage tire like that. it slipped, and slid everywhere. if the ground was even damp, ABS would kick in for many seconds, extending my anticipated braking distances by a matter of 30-50ft... __________________ "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time"

10-22-2021, 12:51 PM	#2
dragoontwo Senior Member Join Date: May 2020 Drives: 22 BRZ limited Location: Clarksville TN Posts: 1,183 Thanks: 217 Thanked 990 Times in 521 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What tires? All 4 the same tire?

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RToyo86 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Drives: 17 Asphalt 86 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,172 Thanks: 1,710 Thanked 2,217 Times in 1,132 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So they only replaced the rear tires? Yeah that's why, and they sound like Garbage tires. As mentioned start with alignment. If your toe is off it will cause all sorts of weird handling issues. For deep snow driving Nokian hakkapeliitta R3, Pirelli ice zero FR, continental Vikkingcontact7's. If you want better dry handling Pirelli sottozeros, or Michelin pilot Alpin PA4 are my picks.

10-23-2021, 03:43 AM	#13
saltywetman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Drives: 2020 Toyota 86 GT 6M Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 413 Thanks: 298 Thanked 270 Times in 137 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The new michelin x-ice snows that came out last year and finally replaced the xice3's are pretty good too! __________________ saltywetman's overnight parts from japan NA build

10-23-2021, 11:43 AM	#14
thomasmryan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Drives: hyper blue Location: east tn Posts: 401 Thanks: 166 Thanked 260 Times in 154 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	one would assume the OP has checked the tire pressure. tires are life and death. choose wisely. most crashes around here involve a wet road so rain/wet tires are prudent.

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