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04-19-2016, 07:31 PM | #283 |
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Dyno probably reads much lower than it should, or the tune on the works kit is way too conservative
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Bingo. I'm betting on a conservative tune (it is CARB approved and has to keep the cats and the CARB weenies happy) and the relatively small stock WORKS turbo limiting things a bit. It's pretty clear that the torque curve starts tapering off at 6500 RPM which is likely the turbo petering out.
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40-50 WHP gain isn't nothing, but for the price WORKS wants, I honestly have no idea why people are going this route versus another CARB complaint FI option, aside from... legal turbo brah. @DocWalt, Can you show me a stock FRS that has dyno'ed at 150 WHP on a Dynojet? |
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I'm not going to waste my life looking for a baseline for that specific car on that specific dyno. Every dyno reads differently...
The price that WORKS charges for their CARB legal kit is right in line with other CARB legal FI setups. Some of them make a bit more power than others. Meh. I don't see what the big deal is anyway, so one car dyno'd at some low peak numbers? Who cares, the torque gains they got down low are HUGE.
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I can help @DocWalt here, its common to get 140-150 whp on a Dyno Dynamics Dyno it'll take some searching to dig one up on the forum but they are there, I'm not going to waste my time finding them as you already seem to have made up your mind. Also it's not the turbo kits fault it's the tune, get a different tune and I have no doubt it will make 230-250 hp if it wasn't on california crap 91 OR wasn't on a legal tune. Also it's $4800 for a CARB stage 1 legal kit that isn't bad, but its cheaper than some of the CARB legal SCs out there if not equal in price. There Stage 1 Carb legal kit is also $4000 and that's in the same range as other kits in the market if not the cheaper eschelon of them. Also I think you're being a bit of a keyboard warrior here, it's very difficult to engineer a CARB legal turbo because you are heavily modifying the exhaust manifold or use of a catalytic converter(normally), WORKs maybe the only one that designed a kit that retains OEM catalytic converter in the header(in fact it lets you retain the entire stock header, leaving you open to swap other uel headers if you like) as well as the front pipe CAT. Literally all the turbo kit replaces in the exhaust is the overpipe, that must've taken some serious time and thought. Also the stage 1 carb kit appears to have no intercooler but instead uses a type of charge cooler from the pictures, this is sort of inline with the Stage 1 non intercooled sprintex kit then. If I had to go FI I personally will be going JRSC regardless.....
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I certainly don't want to offend, I agree that the numbers on that graph are pretty darn weak, but without a baseline it's impossible to really say the kit is at fault.
FWIW I've been cross-shopping the WORKS kit (non CARB) & the Harrop kit. Both are very well engineered kits and at least the Harrop is great on track. Not a huge amount of track data (IATs, oil temps, etc) being shared on the WORKS kit yet, but it looks like a solid package even with the small turbo.
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For reference, a stock car makes about 145whp at the @Elite Performance dyno.
You can extrapolate 218whp to be 296 crank hp, based on their dyno, which is pretty solid. Not perfect math, but its based on known results. Pretty solid for 91 octane. Also note that this is tuned by Eric at Elite, not the CARB tune. Supporting mods, if any, are unknown. |
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Just curious, but what does the ambient vs intake temp typically look like?
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