2021 Supra line-up to include the 4 cylinder for the US?

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by Red-86

I fear the 2.0 Supra will be too expensive for the relative performance, especially next to competitors. 255HP is a very conservative tune, that B48 makes over 300HP stock in the new Mini JCW range. They should turn up the wick and stop playing pattycakes.

Maybe that's their plan in 6-8 months like they did with the 3.0... 300hp 2.0 for 2022?

Toyota's new motto should be "Wait for it..."

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by BA9092

Maybe that's their plan in 6-8 months like they did with the 3.0... 300hp 2.0 for 2022?

Toyota's new motto should be "Wait for it..."

Well actually...

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by DandoX

BUT the 4 cylinder supra is so lacking compared to the upper trim I think that will not do well. Smaller brakes, no active dampers, no active diff, 3,181 pounds. I think that even if the new gen twin is like 25-30hp less than the 4 Supra, that weight will make a difference. If the new 86 is a similar weight to the current one then it likely will be around 300lbs lighter than the new 4 supra. I would be interested to see how the new 86 compares to the 4Supra on the track in stock form.

Being a contrarian by nature (I owned an FR-S after all), it's the things the 4-pot "lacks" that attract me starting with 200+ less weight and better balance.

I agree that the 4 may not sell well = buying opportunity for owners like me who live and drive on mountainous two lanes.

Add the Safety and Technology package, performance brake pads, a downpipe back exhaust, better tires (PSS lack rain grip compared to other category rubber I used at track and auto-X on the FR-S) and call it good for probably <$40K by year-end.

Better mpg than the 6 and cheaper insurance that's already reasonable for the 6, only $100/year more than I paid for the FR-S, so the 4 could be less.

Here's another write up from someone at the launch with interesting Tada-san quotes. This thing is on my radar now and I'm not a hairdresser.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...-toyota-supra/

[Atmo]

The Supra 4 is looking better by the day. Of course the world has changed so it may not arrive when expected but think this will become more popular than haters believe. This could become the 86 v.2.0 so many have wanted should the base price be <$40K before incentives.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs...pra-drifts-too

[gymratter]

$42k is the starting price tag that is being flowed around on our sister forum.

[BA9092]

The first review of the 2.0:

[LancePower]

Originally Posted by BA9092

The first review of the 2.0:

I only watched the intro, but I kept waiting for that guy to ask..."Do you want to pet my monkey?"

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by LancePower

I only watched the intro, but I kept waiting for that guy to ask..."Do you want to pet my monkey?"

OMG! Yes, I totally remember that SNL!

[Infinity]

Originally Posted by gymratter

$42k is the starting price tag that is being flowed around on our sister forum.

What is the sister forum? supramkv.com?

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by BA9092

OMG! Yes, I totally remember that SNL!

Dieter from sprockets.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Infinity

What is the sister forum? supramkv.com?

[Atmo]

@Guff, could you verify what type of diff the 2.0 has? I've only seen it mentioned once and the article said it was an open diff but was hoping for at least a Torsen. Thanks.

[gymratter]

this was all i could find from the press release.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-...r-turbo-model/

The First Four-Cylinder Supra Is Quick and Light

The 2020 GR Supra broke from the model’s traditions in several areas, and the 2021 version seems to do it again with the first-ever four-cylinder turbo model. Or does it? The new Supra 2.0 becomes the entry model, returning a two-tier performance lineup that parallels the A70 and A80 Supra models.

The 2021 Supra 2.0 offers an intermediate model between the Toyota 86 and the Supra 3.0, giving the customer three distinct Toyota sports car choices.

The 2.0-liter inline four-cylinder engine shares much of its technology with the 3.0-liter inline-six, including a twin-scroll turbo, direct fuel injection and continuously variable timing on both the intake and exhaust camshafts. The variable intake valve lift system adjusts intake valve timing and duration. The bottom line is 255 hp at 5,000-6,500 rpm and a stout 295 lb.-ft. peak torque at 1,550 to 4,400 rpm.

The Supra 2.0 uses the same 8-speed automatic transmission as the 3.0, and Toyota projects 0-60 mph in 5.0 seconds, which will make it Toyota’s second quickest vehicle in the lineup. The Supra 2.0 has the same electronically limited 155-mph top track speed as the 3.0, and its fuel consumption will be lower.

The Supra Lightweight

The 2021 Supra 2.0 offers much more than a lower price point. At 3,181 pounds, it is more than 200 pounds lighter than the Supra 3.0 while maintaining that model’s exemplary near 50:50 weight distribution. That’s because the weight reduction is spread throughout the car:

The Supra 2.0 uses smaller front brake rotors than the Supra 3.0 (330mm x 24mm vs. 348mm x 36mm), and with single-piston calipers vs. four-piston.
The Supra 2.0 does not have the Active Differential and Adaptive Suspension used on the 3.0 model.

A four-speaker audio system is standard, vs. the Supra 3.0’s 10-speaker system.

Supra 2.0 seats are manually adjustable, vs. 14-way power-adjustable in the 3.0.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by gymratter

this was all i could find from the press release.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-...r-turbo-model/

Right, I couldn't find confirmation anywhere except for one obscure site across the pond claiming it's an open diff car. With the 2.0 low rpm torque and short wheelbase, it could really use a Torsen for corner exit.