New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

lol

is this a government is going to save us from the scary evil corporations argument? I see your chart is from europe, the only place with arguably a worse track record than the united states of domestic, foreign and economic policy being utter failures in modern history.

But let's just pretend for a moment that those corporations are doing these evil corporation things outside of the economic policy those governments have created. How is more government involvement going to change that? It's almost as if the economic policy is the cause for it, or something....? Nah, let's just double down instead.


*edit* since you like charts so much

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...because the same clueless bureaucracy that you and tv troll "science" man think need to "help" have run the economy into the ditch and everything now costs 2-3x what it did three years ago.

First one is US. Second is EU. Corporations are global conglomerates. What's true everywhere is true here. Charts are the same, just different ways of showing the same thing. Based on the charts, you might have to redirect some of your misplaced blame to corporate monopolies and oligopolies. These corporations are evil? No. They are just playing the capitalist game and looking after number one and their shareholders. What would you have had the government do, place price controls? Sounds a little socialist.

The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion...ality-america/




Maybe things are better for others Sorry for your situation.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

First one is US. Second is EU. Corporations are global conglomerates. What's true everywhere is true here. Charts are the same, just different ways of showing the same thing. Based on the charts, you might have to redirect some of your misplaced blame to corporate monopolies and oligopolies. These corporations are evil? No. They are just playing the capitalist game and looking after number one and their shareholders. What would you have had the government do, place price controls? Sounds a little socialist.

The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion...ality-america/




Maybe things are better for others Sorry for your situation.

Misplaced blame? lol, they both suck and neither one gives a fuck about you, me, or anyone else.

The difference is nobody from some corporation came along and decided to rob me of my earned income that stole hours, days and years of my life by printing 12 trillion dollars in the matter of a few months. No corporation decided we needed QE, 0% effective interest rates and to buy trillions and trillions of MBS to prop up the economy that they themselves crashed with their prior clown shoes economic polices.

No corporation sent me a notice in the mail that my property tax was going up 35% because my shitty little house all of a sudden doubled in value, allegedly. They wouldn't buy the place at that bs made up valuation either, I asked.

I have freedom of choice to do business with corporations, I don't have a choice to do business with government lest they show up at my house with men holding weapons and compel me to do so under threat of violence. Many of those 1%'ers who are enriching themselves ARE the government btw. How is nancy pelosi's or mitch mconnell's investment portfolio doing these days?


I'm sure the median household income going up $3k since 2019 will be a huge help now that median houses are $420,000 and median vehicle price is $40k. Single digit wage increases in the face of double digit inflation over the same time period. fantastic.

Everything these people touch goes to shit and you think it's necessary for them to be involved in ev's as well? they already hosed up the fossil fuel industry trying to pick winners and losers and have enriched some of the west's worst enemies in the process. yeah, let's have them work that magic on electric cars as well.

[Lantanafrs2]

You will have nothing and be happy

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Misplaced blame? lol, they both suck and neither one gives a fuck about you, me, or anyone else.

The difference is nobody from some corporation came along and decided to rob me of my earned income that stole hours, days and years of my life by printing 12 trillion dollars in the matter of a few months. No corporation decided we needed QE, 0% effective interest rates and to buy trillions and trillions of MBS to prop up the economy that they themselves crashed with their prior clown shoes economic polices.

No corporation sent me a notice in the mail that my property tax was going up 35% because my shitty little house all of a sudden doubled in value, allegedly. They wouldn't buy the place at that bs made up valuation either, I asked.

I have freedom of choice to do business with corporations, I don't have a choice to do business with government lest they show up at my house with men holding weapons and compel me to do so under threat of violence. Many of those 1%'ers who are enriching themselves ARE the government btw. How is nancy pelosi's or mitch mconnell's investment portfolio doing these days?

I'm sure the median household income going up $3k since 2019 will be a huge help now that median houses are $420,000 and median vehicle price is $40k. Single digit wage increases in the face of double digit inflation over the same time period. fantastic.

Everything these people touch goes to shit and you think it's necessary for them to be involved in ev's as well? they already hosed up the fossil fuel industry trying to pick winners and losers and have enriched some of the west's worst enemies in the process. yeah, let's have them work that magic on electric cars as well.

They did by robbing/hoarding wages. If you were a median worker making $42k more per year ($92k vs $50k) then that 35% increase in property taxes wouldn't seem so bad, and you could retire a lot younger. And don't worry, prices for homes will likely drop, so your property taxes were only temporarily elevated.

Again, you seem to be blaming the government in an attribution error, while ignoring the situation of the times and having hindsight bias.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yZAot5UzLv4

I don't have a problem with them accelerating the adoption of renewables and moving our infrastructure and transportation to use renewables. Renewables are cheap and mean we will have economic security and self-reliance with energy independence.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

You will have nothing and be happy

You already have nothing. You are already in extreme amount of debt because of corporate greed and wage theft. Everyone is in debt for their mortgage, car, education, and to feed consumerism with credit card debt, so no one owns anything except the rich, which want to keep getting richer. The masses that are addicted to consumerism are getting angrier and angrier and blaming either side or government, yet who is winning...the rich clearly keep getting richer. If you have nothing, it isn't going to be because someone took a percentage of your scraps; it is because all you got were scraps.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

They did by robbing/hoarding wages. If you were a median worker making $42k more per year ($92k vs $50k) then that 35% increase in property taxes wouldn't seem so bad, and you could retire a lot younger. And don't worry, prices for homes will likely drop, so your property taxes were only temporarily elevated.

Again, you seem to be blaming the government in an attribution error, while ignoring the situation of the times and having hindsight bias.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yZAot5UzLv4

I don't have a problem with them accelerating the adoption of renewables and moving our infrastructure and transportation to use renewables. Renewables are cheap and mean we will have economic security and self-reliance with energy independence.

corps caused inflation by not paying enough? you have got to be trolling.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

You already have nothing. You are already in extreme amount of debt because of corporate greed and wage theft. Everyone is in debt for their mortgage, car, education, and to feed consumerism with credit card debt, so no one owns anything except the rich, which want to keep getting richer. The masses that are addicted to consumerism are getting angrier and angrier and blaming either side or government, yet who is winning...the rich clearly keep getting richer. If you have nothing, it isn't going to be because someone took a percentage of your scraps; it is because all you got were scraps.

They will surely save us this time. Pay no attention to the net worth of these same individuals, it's those horrible corporations.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

corps caused inflation by not paying enough? you have got to be trolling.

Inflation came from a change in supply and demand and corporate greed capitalizing on that opportunity. Wage inflation and increased costs were greatly overshadowed by corporate profits, which didn’t lead to investment, trickle down, but just CEO salary increases and stock buybacks.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Inflation came from a change in supply and demand and corporate greed capitalizing on that opportunity. Wage inflation and increased costs were greatly overshadowed by corporate profits, which didn’t lead to investment, trickle down, but just CEO salary increases and stock buybacks.

12 trillion in new money injected into the economy had nothing to do with it.

got it.

[LRNAD90]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Inflation came from a change in supply and demand and corporate greed capitalizing on that opportunity. Wage inflation and increased costs were greatly overshadowed by corporate profits, which didn’t lead to investment, trickle down, but just CEO salary increases and stock buybacks.

Sure, whatever you and Karine Jean-Pierre say. He has the most diverse staff of any president, that must mean they are the best, and know the best for all of us. Bidenomics rock

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

12 trillion in new money injected into the economy had nothing to do with it.

got it.

There was a rapidly crashing GDP that could have led to a greater loss of confidence in the economy and a retraction of private investment. More companies would have had to file bankruptcy or would have failed completely. Without a government investment in infrastructure and stimulus to create investor confidence and revive the economy, we could have been sunken into a long term recession/depression. Instead, we recovered faster. If we didn't have the wave of corporate greed then we wouldn't have seen the level of inflation that we did.

‘We may be looking at the end of capitalism’: One of the world’s oldest and largest investment banks warns ‘Greedflation’ has gone too far

https://fortune.com/2023/04/05/end-o...orate-profits/

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

Sure, whatever you and Karine Jean-Pierre say. He has the most diverse staff of any president, that must mean they are the best, and know the best for all of us. Bidenomics rock

[Lantanafrs2]

[Irace86.2.0]

Posted this in another thread. This makes the case that much stronger for lithium iron phosphate batteries.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

video - RZ450

I think this EV SUV will sell well with typical Lexus owners, and I think that is what Mark is missing. I don't think the vehicle needs the latest tech, the best battery or engines, the most range, or even more range. Part of the video Mark is praising the vehicle, and the other times he is holding it to the standards of other cars from the likes of Tesla/Lucid/Rimac/etc, even though he is not dropping names (it is obvious). In general, he wouldn't be any more excited to drive a Lexus ICE version of this car. If anything, the quiet, torquey and smooth powertrain and lower COG would be preferred to what he was lamenting was the hybrid 4 cylinder turbo powertrains. He is saying no from the perspective of a journalist who drives sports cars and who drives the latest tech, and in the EV space, the competition is fierce, yet he is missing the target audience, which is older more conservative types who buy a Lexus for its build quality, reliability, brand name, comfort, etc. These are people who probably own a Lexus SUV and are likely going to buy a Lexus SUV again, but now they have an EV option that mostly feels like a Lexus, but happens to be an EV.