Performance Brakes on 2022 BRZ

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Uh oh.... You just lost all credibility on this forum. Despite all posted evidence to the contrary, S30 has let us all know that Brembos are a must to avoid brake fade.

Damn Mike, how am I supposed to trust you now?

After all these years I believed Mike. Now it was all a lie and it took 30 to let us know.

[Dylans47]

I actually thought there was drama around Mike after those comments! LOL I thought no wayyyyy. But sounds like some shade against S30 over here.

[trippinbillies40]

In case it's lost in translation, Mike is correct. Stock brake calipers and rotors with better pads and fluid are perfectly fine for track days.

[Strat_FRS]

Add a set of GT3 air guides and open up the heatshield a bit for brake heavy tracks.

[s30series]

Originally Posted by Goingnowherefast

Eh I'd argue it depends how fast you are and what track it is. I can still fade R10's during a time trial session and that's with PP brakes and ducting.

If you're doing HPDE1/2/3 you're probably fine with just pads and fluid on the normal brakes. Also worth noting the primary benefit of "brembo" style calipers is the quick ease of pad swapping. I'd suspect a performance package will become an option later in the cars life cycle.

But you're wrong. Stock brakes with RBF660 and good pads are better engineered and have better heat capacity that AP Racing kits. The forum members agree.

Heat capacity and clamping surface area don't mean what you think they do with BRZ brakes.

Also we (the forum members) don't believe you fade the Brembos with that setup. We need to see proof. Back to back 150mph to 0mph MAY fade the BRZ brakes, but I'm not sure of a track where you can do that in a BRZ

[Ernest72]

Main benefit of a BBK besides looks is, the ability to quickly swap out brake pads from street to track for the casual track guy.

[slimfit]

Just to reiterate, we’re 100% sure that gen 1 kits will fit…right? Kinda hoping to do the CTS-V swap!

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Main benefit of a BBK besides looks is, the ability to quickly swap out brake pads from street to track for the casual track guy.

No. The main benefit is larger, typically cheaper pads that last longer as well as rotor rings that last longer. And since they are two-piece rotors, they don't transmit as much heat to the hub/bearings which helps bearing life.

If you do HPDE/TT often, in the long run a BBK will pay for itself in the longevity of the pads/rings.

Quick brake pad swaps are just a side benefit.

[s30series]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

No. The main benefit is larger, typically cheaper pads that last longer as well as rotor rings that last longer. And since they are two-piece rotors, they don't transmit as much heat to the hub/bearings which helps bearing life.

If you do HPDE/TT often, in the long run a BBK will pay for itself in the longevity of the pads/rings.

Quick brake pad swaps are just a side benefit.

What do the larger pads do? Isn't that just more unsprung weight?

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by s30series

What do the larger pads do? Isn't that just more unsprung weight?

Why don't you tell us why a thicker pad would last longer than a thinner one?

And the reason they are typically cheaper is because BBK manufacturers tend to use far fewer backing plates sizes and outside dimensions, IE, the same pad shape can be used across multiple different calipers vs possibly having to develop a pad shape for one specific or very few specific pad shapes.

Here is a real world example for you:

1990-2005 Miata's have three possible brake configurations from the factory. 1.6, 1.8, Sport brakes. That means 6 different backing plates are needed.

On my 1990 Miata, I installed Wilwoods at all four corners, same caliper, different piston sizes. 1 backing plate.

[s30series]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Why don't you tell us why a thicker pad would last longer than a thinner one?

And the reason they are typically cheaper is because BBK manufacturers tend to use far fewer backing plates sizes and outside dimensions, IE, the same pad shape can be used across multiple different calipers vs possibly having to develop a pad shape for one specific or very few specific pad shapes.

Here is a real world example for you:

1990-2005 Miata's have three possible brake configurations from the factory. 1.6, 1.8, Sport brakes. That means 6 different backing plates are needed.

On my 1990 Miata, I installed Wilwoods at all four corners, same caliper, different piston sizes. 1 backing plate.

Your original post said larger pads. Did you mean thicker?

[Ernest72]

Still think BBK is mostly bling. Most of the cars spend 90% on the street and 10% on the track. For that little track time you can buy rotors, track pads and fluid and swap them out for pretty cheap. Then swap back to street pad.

Not that there is anything wrong with bling. I have 4 pots 2pots on my BRZ and WRX. They work and look nice and cheaper than BBK. Plus I can keep my 17 x7 wheels for the BRZ and 17x7.5 for the WRX that are nice and light. But no track for these cars, just spirited weekend runs.

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Still think BBK is mostly bling. Most of the cars spend 90% on the street and 10% on the track. For that little track time you can buy rotors, track pads and fluid and swap them out for pretty cheap. Then swap back to street pad.

Not that there is anything wrong with bling. I have 4 pots 2pots on my BRZ and WRX. They work and look nice and cheaper than BBK. Plus I can keep my 17 x7 wheels for the BRZ and 17x7.5 for the WRX that are nice and light. But no track for these cars, just spirited weekend runs.

Agreed for most cases. Unless you track more than I’d say 5-10 times a year, the several thousand dollar investment isn’t worth it, especially for inexperienced drivers

[wheelspeed]

Growing up racing BMX and continuing a bicycling hobby all my life, and motorcycle hobbies- now at 51 years old I've been upgrading toys to save weight for so long that it's a mental thing that simply brings some joy into my life. I don't have kids, but it must be like buying something nice for your kids. You couldn't argue any financial sense but it brings you happiness. So, if someone makes some 2-piece rotors and nice calipers that save 20 pounds or so from the front wheels, I'll probably have to do that even if I never go on a track. :-) Hopefully I'd be able to wait until the warranty is almost out.