Rear Suspension Do Over I guess

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by FNCrazy

I'm going with a mixture of whatever aftermarket I should get, brand new OEM, and there's a wrecked FR-S that had 4,000 miles opposed to my 27k, I'll use the used parts in some areas... Tires, required, going to spend a little on those to get really good ones. They're only springing for two OEM wheels, so I'm not sure how I'll swing new wheels.

All we know is.... He's called The Stig

Better tires isnt the solution. All that means is you will have more speed when you run out of talent next time.

Prius tires are actually good for that exact reason

[FNCrazy]

Originally Posted by renfield90

Uhh, how about buying some talent? Not digging at you, and I don't know what your talent level is, but bolting on more grip only means that you'll be going faster the next time you lose control.

Go spend some time/money on track days and autocross.

I didn't take it as a dig, no worries. Nothing but truth. In reality, I've driven some pretty exotic cars in some great places, but that doesn't mean I'm incredibly talented by any means.

I have only had this car for a month, I've put no performance mods on it, nothing but a better head unit (and cup holders that were missing).

My goal was to save up money for safety gear and to take a couple high speed performance driving classes (need two before you can go out alone on track days I think) at PIR, then go for an occasional track day once I had any kind of talent.

So, I completely agree with you! I just have been having fun with all traction nannies off, but that morning I must have been just out of my mind. Completely juvenile, dangerous, and not "me."

From now on, traction control stays on at all times. And I will not act like a freakin' 19 year old.

You know the worst part?

I wrote my deductible check, yeah, it would have been enough for my performance driving classes. Ironic.

All we know is.... He's called The Stig

[Calum]

Originally Posted by finch1750

Better tires isnt the solution. All that means is you will have more speed when you run out of talent next time.

Prius tires are actually good for that exact reason

When I was on the Prius tires I wasn't getting enough feedback and found I didn't get enough warning before things let go. I had a couple of near misses. So, I started looking for ways to get more feedback. I put in some bushing inserts and started doing what I could to become smoother, but it wasn't working. The bushing inserts helped, but I still found the back end came out unpredictably, no matter how smooth I was. Putting better tires on it made a world of difference. Yes, there was more grip, but it was easier to manage.

[swarb]

Originally Posted by FNCrazy

Thanks! Well, I like oversteer, but this snap oversteer thing I wasn't fond of. I'll be replacing my tires with non-shitty ones, so I'd probably lean towards a touch more oversteer, and removing my traction control turn off buttons from the car and put in my garage.

Tuning your car towards more oversteer will just make the "snap oversteer" worse. You need to figure out what driver error cause the problem. Over countered? Lifted off throttle? Turned off traction control on the street with curbs around? Other?

Rce yellows and better tires and alignment would help a lot. Suggestion to go to a track day/hpde or skid pad to learn/practice.

[FNCrazy]

Originally Posted by swarb

Rce yellows and better tires and alignment would help a lot. Suggestion to go to a track day/hpde or skid pad to learn/practice.

Thank you. Yellows waiting to be installed, better tires on way after wheel is chosen, and, just as the above two were already explained in the thread, if you'd bothered to read the thread you'd know that I'm also fully committed both before and more so after the crash, to take two HPDE classes so I can get my approval at PIR to go out on track days by myself.

Who knows, maybe even more classes! I like to learn. Do you @swarb?


All we know is.... He's called The Stig

[swarb]

Originally Posted by FNCrazy

Thank you. Yellows waiting to be installed, better tires on way after wheel is chosen, and, just as the above two were already explained in the thread, if you'd bothered to read the thread you'd know that I'm also fully committed both before and more so after the crash, to take two HPDE classes so I can get my approval at PIR to go out on track days by myself.

Who knows, maybe even more classes! I like to learn. Do you @swarb?


All we know is.... He's called The Stig

Just adding another opinion.
Yep, I learn every day.
I learn from other's mistakes.
Some people learn the hard way.

Also suggestion to get some good brake pads and fresh/better brake fluid before you hit the track.

[FNCrazy]

Originally Posted by swarb

Also suggestion to get some good brake pads and fresh/better brake fluid before you hit the track.

Absolutely! CSG Mike is going to set me up with specific track pads and high quality brake fluid before I go to classes. I can't remember how many track days before replacing fluid again, but I'll ask him once I'm booked and place my orders



All we know is.... He's called The Stig

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by finch1750

Better tires isnt the solution. All that means is you will have more speed when you run out of talent next time.

Prius tires are actually good for that exact reason

Like Clarkson said when he reviewed the car, that's the beauty of the Prius tires - you're going so slow that if you make a mess of things and are headed for a tree, you can simply open the door and get out.

[FNCrazy]

Originally Posted by renfield90

Like Clarkson said when he reviewed the car, that's the beauty of the Prius tires - you're going so slow that if you make a mess of things and are headed for a tree, you can simply open the door and get out.

I can attest that THAT is incorrect. You can spin going pretty fast too... Although I didn't have Prius tires.

All we know is.... He's called The Stig

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Calum

When I was on the Prius tires I wasn't getting enough feedback and found I didn't get enough warning before things let go. I had a couple of near misses.

Originally Posted by FNCrazy

I can attest that THAT is incorrect. You can spin going pretty fast too... Although I didn't have Prius tires.

All we know is.... He's called The Stig

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
- Douglas Adams

Best of luck and enjoy the seat time!

[FNCrazy]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
- Douglas Adams

Best of luck and enjoy the seat time!

Hey wait a... Did he... Did he just call me a fool?

Lol

All we know is.... He's called The Stig

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by FNCrazy

I didn't take it as a dig, no worries. Nothing but truth. In reality, I've driven some pretty exotic cars in some great places, but that doesn't mean I'm incredibly talented by any means.

I have only had this car for a month, I've put no performance mods on it, nothing but a better head unit (and cup holders that were missing).

My goal was to save up money for safety gear and to take a couple high speed performance driving classes (need two before you can go out alone on track days I think) at PIR, then go for an occasional track day once I had any kind of talent.

So, I completely agree with you! I just have been having fun with all traction nannies off, but that morning I must have been just out of my mind. Completely juvenile, dangerous, and not "me."

From now on, traction control stays on at all times. And I will not act like a freakin' 19 year old.

You know the worst part?

I wrote my deductible check, yeah, it would have been enough for my performance driving classes. Ironic.

All we know is.... He's called The Stig

Good on you for wanting safety gear. For getting your feet wet, you're fine with a helmet plus upgraded pads and fluid, plus trackday insurance from Lockton. If you go to an autocross you don't even need to upgrade the pads/fluid or bother with trackday insurance, and they might have loaner helmets.

The problem most people have is they don't understand how much they don't know about car control. Dip your toes in and you're not going to turn into a hero driver overnight, but you will begin to understand just how much you don't know. This knowledge alone will generate some respect for the car and probably save your butt next time.

So I would encourage you to get out there and not just watch, but participate the first time whether it's autocross or a track day. You've even got people willing to help show you the way. Go make it happen.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
- Douglas Adams

Best of luck and enjoy the seat time!

Am I reading this wrong, or did you just call me a complete fool for getting the back end out in a stock frs?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Calum

Am I reading this wrong, or did you just call me a complete fool for getting the back end out in a stock frs?

I think you've interpreted it incorrectly, I thought about explaining more thoroughly but decided against it. Here's the long and short of it.

My intent is that you and OP appear to think you know better than Toyota's engineers, Subarus engineers, experienced and respected journalists, racing drivers, enthusiasts, tuning and aftermarket companies, and a huge chunk of trusted drivers education and training materials by blaming the tires for the behavior you experienced.

Yes it's possible to get the ass end out in a stock 86, I did it many times myself. The key there is "I did it", not the tires, not the road conditions, not the suspension design: me. The nut behind the wheel is in full control, placing blame elsewhere is dumb.

Sure the car can be improved, but to imply there's something dangerous or wrong with the car in stock form is foolishness imo.