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This is a very nice looking convertible! I did some power to weight ratio calcs and the FR-S still comes out ahead slightly. The FR-S is at 13.8 lbs per horsepower,whereas the 2016 MX-5 will have 14.2 lbs per hp. These calcs are based on curb weights of 2205 for the Mazda and 2753 for the FR-S, with 155 and 200 bhp, respectively. It should be noted that the R&T article does not give the HP figure of the 1.5 liter engine, but even allowing for the lowest possible curb weight (which will be too low for the non-Japan version) and the higher powered engine (the 2.0 l) the FR-S still wins in the PtW department.
Obviously, the MX-5 comes out well ahead on torque relative to its mass. It will come down to the transmission and differential gearing to see which car will have better acceleration.
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lol, it's not going to be the 155hp engine. The NC did not use a standard 2L MZR, and the ND will not use a standard Skyactiv 2L from a Mazda3. Mazda even made a comment about the false speculation about 155hp. It's gonna be faster than an FRS, period. |
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They could make it pass emissions, however, it wasn't an efficient engine and with the gearing needed to delivery a quick car the fuel economy was shit. That's a bigger nail in the F20C/F22C coffin.
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There were several things making the S2000 perhaps a bit too thirsty by today's standards. One of course is that back in the day Japanese sports cars came with super short gearing, so there was not a proper highway gear (but this problem isn't limited to the S2k, basically every other car had very short gearing by today's standards). Another is that the engine is not super torquey for the mass it had to pull (which is quite a lot for a 4 cylinder 2 seater), so the low gears have to be short as well, this is super bad for your EPA mpg testing, although I imagine manufacturers will start exercising the option to specify early shift points and this could be partially solved. Finally, there's the horrible aerodynamics of the S2k, but that is also a problem not limited to the S2k. If they really wanted to they could bring the F20C back but there's no car to put it in, it doesn't make financial sense to restart production and try to recertify it (which will need some modifications) when it's not competitive in any category other than power anymore. One reason why super high rpm engines have gotten very rare that's not fuel economy related is that they're still trying to figure out how to achieve high flowing intake ports that play nice with direct injection at low speed, that also doesn't cost them a lot of money. Porsche has the "VTEC" style dual cams that lets them achieve this but even with that it's harder to do than it was with port injection. Honda still has VTEC but they'd rather use the extra lobe for a fuel-economy-mode, and 3-stage VTEC is probably cost prohibitive. Toyota has tried D4-S as we know but that is not enough to get you into the 8000+rpm range, and Subaru tried TVGs but that has the same restrictions. If you don't use a fancy valvetrain you end up with the BMW S65, which is not torquey and extremely thirsty. |
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"The MX-5's thousand-kilo (2205 lb) mass allows it to be slightly quicker than the first-generation car, but we'll have to wait to drive the 2.0-liter, with its 155 horsepower and 148 lb-ft of torque, to see how it stacks up when confronted with an American on-ramp and a highly motivated Yukon XL driver in the other lane." (Jan. 30, 2015). So you have better information than R&T has? Perhaps you will link to your source? I really don't give a damn if it is faster or slower than an FR-S. I was merely pointing out that the PTW ratios (based on available specs) favor the FR-S. If and when the information is updated from Mazda those numbers may change. In the end, it will be the gear ratios and differential that determine if the car has better acceleration.
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Clickbait doesn't generate views updating a 3 day old article, they put out a new one. I think it's safe to say it's a derivative of the 2.0L already available but it seems to have been tweaked, likely for better responsiveness, the SkyActiv has been accused of being a bit of a bore. |
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