Can you manually shift automatic version w/out the paddle shifters?

[maxeveland]

I notice in the interior images the automatic frs has the look of the manual and the frs is described as having paddle shifters but do you have the option of moving the stick shift up and down?

And does anyone know if the BRZ will have the same looking automatic?

[Argent6978]

One would assume you could move the stick shift up and down, else it would be very very difficult to get it out of Park.

Looking at the interior images on Scion's page, the shift lever does seem to indicate that when in Drive, it can be pulled a little to the left and used to shift up and down as well.

[LSxJunkie]

Yes, but Toyota still insists on using the wrong layout. It should be pull aft to shift up and push forward to shift down. This way the motion of your hand works with the g-force of the car accelerating and braking.

I only use the paddles in the IS350 because that annoys me to no end.

The same way GM fucked up their paddles on the Corvette. You pull right to shift up, pull left to shift down. You don't push either paddle forward to shift up and pull to shift down. That's retarded. Thankfully they got it right on the CTS-V.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Yes, but Toyota still insists on using the wrong layout. It should be pull aft to shift up and push forward to shift down. This way the motion of your hand works with the g-force of the car accelerating and braking.

I only use the paddles in the IS350 because that annoys me to no end.

The same way GM fucked up their paddles on the Corvette. You pull right to shift up, pull left to shift down. You don't push either paddle forward to shift up and pull to shift down. That's retarded. Thankfully they got it right on the CTS-V.

Man the corvette is like this? WOW that is crappy crazy yo! Hopefully they fix it in the next corvette in 2014..

[Dragonitti]

Saw the title and thought...."Why on earth would you want to do that?"

[madfast]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

You don't push either paddle forward to shift up and pull to shift down. That's retarded.

both porsche and BMW did this until very recently. in fact i think the cayman s still uses that old tiptronic style of "paddles".

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by madfast

both porsche and BMW did this until very recently. in fact i think the cayman s still uses that old tiptronic style of "paddles".

Yup. Retarded. And counterintuitive. At least with the IS300, the buttons on the back of the steering wheel shifted up and buttons on the face shifted down.

Porsche, for a time, was using up and down buttons on the face of the steering wheel as well. It's taken us a long time to get to standardized paddles. There is no point for this to be any other way. Right up, left down.

Luckily, BMW has always gotten it right on their SMG cars.

[FRSpdDmn]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Yes, but Toyota still insists on using the wrong layout. It should be pull aft to shift up and push forward to shift down. This way the motion of your hand works with the g-force of the car accelerating and braking.

This always annoys me to no end. Every time I drive a rental or loaner car that has it backwards (ie, anyone but Mazda and BMW), I have to think about EVERY shift to make sure I go the right (wrong) way.
PULL BACK FOR UP.
PUSH FORWARD FOR DOWN.
Every racecar with a sequential gearbox is like this. If there are paddles, right paddle for UP, left paddle for Down. The only thing worse than getting it opposite is Chrysler's shifter that's side-to-side.

[TylerLieberman]

Bmw got it right. I remember driving an e43 m3 smg and it was the right layout. Very crisp and positive feedback too. A lot of automatic cars with paddles have this short lag after chnaging gears.

[madfast]

pull back for upshift, companies that get it right: BMW, mazda, suzuki, fiat, and mitsu's SST.

worst offender of push forward upshift: VAG. cars like the R8 and veyron and all PDK porsches could have used whatever style they wanted, and yet they still kept the push forward upshift. what a shame. AND some VAG cars make you push the shifter to the right in order to access the push/pull console shift action. for a left hand drive car, this is away from the driver, wtf?

[SUB-FT86]

I like push down for downshift and up for upshift. Why? It makes sense to me. The opposite way is confusing.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I like push down for downshift and up for upshift. Why? It makes sense to me. The opposite way is confusing.

but do you like it only because you're used to it?

the way they usually do it, in racing, is pull back for upshift. many theories on why but i think we can all agree that in racing that's the way they do it. so why does almost everybody do it pull back for downshift? IMO it has to do with the PRNDL/PRND321 convention. in that convention pull back is downshift, so its all about familiarity. car manufacturers probably value familiarity and convention over doing it the "racecar-way". and that's why "sporty" car companies like BMW and mazda choose to do it the "right" way. they have enough balls to defy convention and do whats best for the driving experience.

the same can be said with the paddles. it went from pushing buttons (very familiar to have buttons on the steering wheel, so why not to change gears right?), to toggle "paddles" (half way between buttons and actual paddles), to the ones we have today (no doubt F1 and ferrari's use in it's cars have made these the standard when it comes to steering wheel mounted gear selection).

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Bmw got it right. I remember driving an e43 m3 smg and it was the right layout. Very crisp and positive feedback too. A lot of automatic cars with paddles have this short lag after chnaging gears.

I've driven an IS-F with the same trans tune as this car is purported to have (except that's an 8 speed) around Monticello. The torque converter essentially acts like a clutch. Once you're rolled away from a stop, the converter is locked, except when you downshift. The converter unlocks so the engine can rev-match. That car shifted pretty much instantly. I still wish it had a stick, but with a torque converter automatic, that really is the best experience I could ask for. I actually prefer it to SMG II because the torque converter reacts normally at low speeds, so you don't hammer a clutch trying to drive sedately or parallel parking.

[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

I've driven an IS-F with the same trans tune as this car is purported to have (except that's an 8 speed) around Monticello. The torque converter essentially acts like a clutch. Once you're rolled away from a stop, the converter is locked, except when you downshift. The converter unlocks so the engine can rev-match. That car shifted pretty much instantly. I still wish it had a stick, but with a torque converter automatic, that really is the best experience I could ask for. I actually prefer it to SMG II because the torque converter reacts normally at low speeds, so you don't hammer a clutch trying to drive sedately or parallel parking.

I used to have a M3 with SMG II and I've driven my buddy's IS-F around a short improvised track/course. Like you said the tranny in the IS-F is really nice. I'd say 99% as good as the SMG was on the M3. Shifts seemed just as fast and felt way~ smoother on the road. One thing that it "felt" a tiny bit behind the SMG was on downshifts, especially if they were multiple gears, but I'm completely splitting hairs.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd choose the one in the IS-F because it's easier to live with on a DD. If had to pick the best "auto" tranny I've ever had the pleasure of driving is the one in the E63 AMG. It's basically a torque converter less tranny so something close to a SMG, but much better in execution. Best of both worlds!