2022 Toyota GR86 Review - Handling, Performance, The Best RWD Sports Car Under 100K?

[LRNAD90]

Originally Posted by Spektyr

The government is absolutely changing the outcome.

Boy is that a loaded statement..

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Under $50K maybe. Just maybe.

Wait Tcoat, what's your list of best car? I would watch your youtube videos

Originally Posted by Rustyoid

excuse me if i'm wrong but isn't the new gen is a better handling car than the newest miata? They are definitely different experiences, lighter and more body roll in the miata. But Stock for stock, we win in every situation, besides wind blown hair category. unless i've missed something?

You can't beat that open top feeling. 86 would be a riot if it's offered in that format..... & also making it a total chick car.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

You can't beat that open top feeling. 86 would be a riot if it's offered in that format..... & also making it a total chick car.

it would also be about 1,000 pounds heavier

[Dake]

...Government is changing the outcome.

You can look at it that way, or you can look at it from the other direction, which is the government left a loophole (for what I'd say is understandable reasons), that manufacturers took advantage of and are now unwilling to sacrifice their golden calfs to.

The spirit of CAFE wasn't to recertify everything as a truck to get around standards, but the magic of our system is always to find ways to skate just inside the regs (thereby making it worse for everyone in the long run).

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by fredzy

I've spent a ton of time in Europe. Fuel is bananas expensive, cities are super cramped and vehicles with bigger engines are taxed like crazy. Those are the main reasons smaller, efficient vehicles are ubiquitous. I'm saying that if it was as easy and affordable for them to own CUVs, SUVs and trucks as it is for us they would gladly get into those. Except maybe in the city.

Problem is you can't meet any semblance of CO2 neutrality with cheap fuel. There has to be an incentive for people to get into more economical cars, build sustainable housing, etc., otherwise as you say we'd all live in 1M sq. ft. houses heated by burning whatever wood we can still cut down and would all drive a semblance of 6x6 G-Wagen.

Also, fuel is actually cheaper in Europe atm than it is in some western states (AZ, NV, CA, among others).

If we didn't have cramped cities built a thousand years ago, had a different tax system and didn't care about our footprint, we'd be the united states .

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by alex87f

Problem is you can't meet any semblance of CO2 neutrality with cheap fuel. There has to be an incentive for people to get into more economical cars, build sustainable housing, etc., otherwise as you say we'd all live in 1M sq. ft. houses heated by burning whatever wood we can still cut down and would all drive a semblance of 6x6 G-Wagen.

Also, fuel is actually cheaper in Europe atm than it is in some western states (AZ, NV, CA, among others).

If we didn't have cramped cities built a thousand years ago, had a different tax system and didn't care about our footprint, we'd be the united states .

Living in Europe, in the moment I think "damn, if only we could live more like this" in the US. More appreciation of the simpler things. Emphasis on experiences more than material possessions. These things help make the medicine of living more sustainably (which EU people kinda have no choice about) a little easier to swallow, I think, among many other positive effects on life. See Scandinavian Happiness - the only times these people were ever unhappy was when they were dealing with me.

But I don't see how the US would ever get there. And I won't lie, I'm not sure I'd vote for all of it. It's just a different world here.

[siko232]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Under $50K maybe. Just maybe.

$ or £?

At this point £ or € would very could be true.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

You can't beat that open top feeling. 86 would be a riot if it's offered in that format..... & also making it a total chick car.

There was a Toyota factory concept with a convertible and when the '13 came out there was a lot of talk of it going into production, along with talk the chassis was already reinforced for it to some extent. Pretty easy to find with a search.