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Old 05-28-2020, 02:48 PM   #141
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i was thinking along the same lines, but there will probably be a bigger price gap between all the hypothetical trim levels. either way, i can see all comparable Z vs Supra models with Nissan being around $10k cheaper vs their Toyota counterpart.
The ancient and well paid for 370 prices would certainly say you are not going to see much of a new car for under $40K.
If they even offer different trims it would probably be more like $40K, $50K, $60K. Even if they cut development costs by using a pile of existing parts and platform Under $40 is not probable for a company fighting for it's life.


"The 2020 Nissan 370Z starts with a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $30,090. Add the $895 destination charge and that makes $30,985 for the base coupe with the manual transmission. Sport trim is priced from $34,715; Sport Touring comes in at $40,385; the 2020 370Z Nismo begins at $46,685."
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Old 05-28-2020, 05:33 PM   #142
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Take this with a gain of salt, but former engineer on the A90 project weights in on the new Z.

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the new Z is supposedly just a reskin of the Z34 platform according to a buddy of mine at Nissan JP. Not saying it's bad given new interior, exterior, and turbo V6, but I don't think it's going to be capable of what the A90 is and might even have the same auto (Jatco 7AT) and manual (6spd) that they're using currently.

I also believe Nissan is going to charge every bit of $50k for that thing, but I've read some reports saying less (doubt it). Theyre not in a great financial position and have commented that they're looking to improve brand perception and charge more to recoup R&D costs and increase profit. Good news is that could mean better quality vehicles however, as they focus more on each individual sale vs volume.
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/the...ad.686/page-65
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Old 05-28-2020, 06:41 PM   #143
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the new Z is supposedly just a reskin of the Z34 platform
Reminds me of the back-and-forth on the 2nd gen Twins, with one option being a cool new platform with lots of potential engine options and the other being reuse of the current platform with a slightly larger engine. On the other hand, the 370Z platform is an evolution of the 350Z, making it 18 years old...
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Taking a look over on Infiniti's page the Z could be offered the same way. A base detune 300hp V6 and a high performance 400hp V6.

https://www.infinitiusa.com/vehicles/coupes/q60.html#
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Looking at KBB, there are a lot of 2020 Supras with a $56K MRSP going for around $48K. Mustangs are $3~5K off for most trims. Base Ecoboosts can be had for $20K. It is true that Nissan can list the cars for anything they want, but coupes aren't super hot right now.

The new Z will be a hot commodity out of the gate, but I would be so shocked to see success with anything but an aggressive pricing strategy. Unless they are greatly limiting production or the car is the second coming. If it proves true that the car is just a warmed over previous-gen (the roofline looks identical which might be our first sign), then they have to know they can't move too aggressively on pricing. But Nissan is mismanaged, so who knows.

We will see soon enough, I guess. But for anyone thinking of switching teams, wait 12 months for the markdowns.
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As exciting as this would be not sure how Nissan is going to pull this one off, their financial situation is more than rocky right now...
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Uchida, Nissanís new boss, did promise a revival through a better product line. If that holds true they might just make it.

Ghosnís race to the bottom may have saved the company from financial ruin, but it seems more and more apparent that it was not a sound long term strategy.
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Assuming it's another 3300+ lb. "sports" car built on lux-car platform, i'll skip it...
My thoughts exactly. We've been spoiled by the comparatively lightweight twins.
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Ghosnís race to the bottom may have saved the company from financial ruin, but it seems more and more apparent that it was not a sound long term strategy.
Remind me when race to the bottom has panned out.
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Auguring in at a steep angle can loosen deposition layers which makes subsequent panning of detritus by the survivors much more lucrative?
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Honestly I'm okay with just a heavy revision of the existing Z model. How's that much different than the Supra, which is based on a BMW 3 Series platform that is based off the previous 3 Series platform? Which has a Mac Strut suspension. Nothing super fancy going on there. Really the only gripe I have with the 370Z in its current form is the outdated interior. The rest is pretty good IMO. A little heavy, but that's b/c of platform sharing the FM.

If the new Z does indeed have a 400hp 3.0 V6 I have a hard time believing it'll start below $40k; could maybe be right at $40k. Still a very strong value IMO. I really, REALLY wish they would call it the 300ZX though. 400Z is stupid, and goes against any former naming structure Nissan has used for their sports car (though it is sadly in vogue with many automakers that the number always has to be higher - THANKS BMW!).

Meanwhile over at Toyota you can get 0% financing for 60 months on 2020 Supras. And/or $5000 off. One of my neighbors got one (not someone I know, just lives in my development). I think the car looks great in person. But the lack of manual transmission is a major turn off for me. I won't lie - I can't afford a new $50k sports car. However if a manual version was available I would strongly consider a lightly used one.
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A heavily revised Z34 sounds great, if;

1. manual stays
2. weight stays under 3300lbs, preferably lighter than Z34.
3. they fix the handling at the limit.






4. backseat?
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If the new Z does indeed have a 400hp 3.0 V6 I have a hard time believing it'll start below $40k; could maybe be right at $40k. Still a very strong value IMO. I really, REALLY wish they would call it the 300ZX though. 400Z is stupid, and goes against any former naming structure Nissan has used for their sports car (though it is sadly in vogue with many automakers that the number always has to be higher - THANKS BMW!).
The Infiniti Q50 starts at $36.4k for the 300hp version. You don't think they can make a 400Z start under $40k with the 400hp version? Luxury brands have a reputation of putting the same engine in multiple platforms and tuning them differently like my wife's 3.0T in her Q5, which is the same motor as the SQ5 and other S vehicles with minor differences from tuning and cooling; for the most part, they are the same motors, but don't tell Audi customers that because Audi wants to mark up those more powerful engines like Infiniti has done with the 400hp version of the Q50. I don't think they even need a 400hp version of the Z. They could sell a twin turbo 300-350hp V6 with tuning potential as a base model and use the 400-450hp for some Nismo edition, and they would destroy the 370Z in sales.

The X in 300ZX stood for luxury and comfort oriented features. Is that what you were looking for? Personally, the name doesn't really matter much to me. 400Z sounds perfect.

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Compared to the more overtly sporting earlier models, the 280ZX was a much softer, heavier car, with less focus on driving and more on driver comfort and refinement. Softer suspension, better sound insulation, more comfortable seats, and ample equipment including high-end audio systems defined the new ZX.
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I think a twin turbo v6 2 seater in the mid $30k to compete with Mustangs and Camaros will do very well. Obviously, there will be easy tuning potential for more power and that will make it an attractive option. If they can keep the weight under 3200lbs and offer a manual then I would seriously consider it alongside any gen 2 86.
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