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05-09-2021, 05:03 AM | #1877 |
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Plain white is used in racing, because teams badge the cars with sponsor promotions. So, paint is not that visible and it doesn't really matter. Pearl white or other metallic color is better for normal usage cars.
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I didn’t know the gap was so small. I always figured it was more considering how much it was discussed. Quote:
The BRZ and 86 have had numerous press events in Japan while the US got 1 event. At the US event, journalists got to look at the car and some were able to ride along with Subaru’s driver. On paper, the twins still present poorly against the L4/V6 pony cars. I still believe that these cars were very much designed for the Japanese market first and foremost. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The reason twins still present poorly against the L4/V6 pony cars is because they are focusing on handling performance and not that much on raw engine performance. It might seem to you a dump move for the U.S. market, but at least to them it was a sales success according to their targets. It seems to be a smart move, because they don't have much competition in this area and on specific price levels. So, they are playing alone. |
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And the BRZ was like 5k of those 700k in the US. The BRZ is dross here in the US market for Subaru. Note that I specifically said the twins. Since the cars are not differentiated in basic spec, we have to look at both cars when considering design targets. Small displacement, small footprint, light weight... that is very typical for Japan market vehicles. If these cars were built for the NA market first and foremost, it is likely that a North American design studio would have led the vehicle development like Toyota has done in the past with Camry, Avalon, Tacoma, FJ, Sienna, etc. All those vehicles have Japan market equivalents that are lower displacement, small footprint, and lower weight than what we get in the US. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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they sold every 86 they built, without heavy incentives or price reductions. that's what a sales success is.
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Goals don't mean $hit when they are set so low
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And it sounds like u fanboys like to default to "niche market" as an excuse for the twin's abyssal numbers! PS: I create forecast models for a living, and everything u guys stated are just lame excuses |
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they played it safe and set a goal that is easily attainable... but if u look at market share goals between the 911 and the twins, u'll see a much larger gap... it doesn't matter what the actual numbers are, it's the market share that counts... and TBH, that's something a lot of management teams don't think abt.. they look at the absolute units sold and think they're bada$$.. then i come in and burst their bubbles
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I doubt your forecast models are very reliable if you don't have a basic grasp of the concept of them not going after market share.
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sure, let's just spend money creating a car and break even at best says no CEO ever
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It happens all the time. These are not their bread and butter and you know it.
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