May 2010 Car&Driver issue FT-86 article - "25 Cars Worth Waiting For"

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Well I just thought if they used aluminum body panels it would put the price up...

If they were to be alloy I mite go out take off the paint and polish it lol

[Jordo!]

C&D thinks Lex will be paypalling me 5 bucks too

Although, those retards also think the Celica was shitcanned back in 2003...

[mrtodd]

Originally Posted by RRnold

"Following the launch of the natually aspirated version, a turbo engine with about 230 ponies..."

A N/A and a Turbo version would make this car a sweeter deal! I really hope they release both.

x2!

The turbo'd HP numbers don't sound too bad either, as long as that weight really is kept down (which I think we are all hopeful it is).

[Matador]

at least 270 for the turbo version or no deal.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

at least 270 for the turbo version or no deal.

Agree. It should be at least 270hp in the turbo version. I hope for 300-ish for turbo one, but well, just give a 200+ on NA....

[blur]

Originally Posted by Dark

Agree. It should be at least 270hp in the turbo version. I hope for 300-ish for turbo one, but well, just give a 200+ on NA....

Hate to disagree, but the more ponies, the more $ you gotta pay. As long as the engine's strong enough, with the 230hp you can achieve near 350hp with bolt ons.

[Decameron]

a 120hp increase with bolt-ons only?

[DrunkenMime]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

at least 270 for the turbo version or no deal.

Really? with a car as light as the FT's going to be, I think 250hp will be more than enough. Then with an intake and exhaust and a cat delete, you could probably add 70-80 more hp no?

[Myka]

Toyota will simply give it the power and gearing it needs to achieve a good 0-60 time, because that is what will sell the car.

For us (enthusiasts) there will be aftermarket parts to go faster. There will also be the handling of the car. I won't be surprised to see a skid pad of 1.0g. The point is, horsepower doesn't mean as much as it used to as far as selling cars. People want to know how fast it is.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by DrunkenMime

Really? with a car as light as the FT's going to be, I think 250hp will be more than enough. Then with an intake and exhaust and a cat delete, you could probably add 70-80 more hp no?

Seriously, I had a 3000+ saturn sky redline with 260hp/260ftlbs and it would easily do 0-60 in 5.5. I would imagine that the rumored 230hp, depending on where it hits in the rpm range and what the torque looks like, should be good for 0-60 in 5.5 or better. I would imagine the boxer engine will be torquey with good low end power relying on the turbo for upper rpm power. We keep hearing that the car will have a huge emphasis on being light and 230 should make this thing really sing...

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by DrunkenMime

Really? with a car as light as the FT's going to be, I think 250hp will be more than enough. Then with an intake and exhaust and a cat delete, you could probably add 70-80 more hp no?

70-80 off an intake, exhaust and dummy cat... I doubt that!

Regardless of the HP rating on a turbo version (if indeed true), it's probably going to be a stronger built engine compared to the N/A engine. I'm sure Blouch or Cobb can you help you get to 270hp and then some!

[2jz-gte4life]

Originally Posted by DrunkenMime

Really? with a car as light as the FT's going to be, I think 250hp will be more than enough. Then with an intake and exhaust and a cat delete, you could probably add 70-80 more hp no?

Hahaha, are you serious with the 70-80 hp gain off those little mods.

You would be lucky to get 20 hp to the ground.

[blur]

Originally Posted by Decameron

a 120hp increase with bolt-ons only?

Yes sir, turbos are very interesting things

Infact "You should have no problem there. I made 400 WHP on a stock EJ20 with a GT30R at 25 PSI but I would not recommend it for any extended period of time. I would say 330-340 WHP on an everyday basis is about what I would recommend as the max power level that is reliable."
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/engine...internals.html
"Currently, I'm running 395 wheel HP with stock internals on my 2002 WRX."
http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114626
Sure it's a different engine, but who knows. I guess 320hp is a better estimate, but I can't say for sure.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by DrunkenMime

Really? with a car as light as the FT's going to be, I think 250hp will be more than enough. Then with an intake and exhaust and a cat delete, you could probably add 70-80 more hp no?

Originally Posted by 2jz-gte4life

Hahaha, are you serious with the 70-80 hp gain off those little mods.

You would be lucky to get 20 hp to the ground.

^ What he said. I'd take a stab at about 50 net, 30 to the ground, but we are talking about a 2.0L engine, and barely any mods. Not to mention there is no way I'd take of the cat unless the car is being tracked exclusively.

Originally Posted by Decameron

a 120hp increase with bolt-ons only?

It's coming with an all aluminum 3.2L 3JZ.. didn't you hear?

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Seriously, I had a 3000+ saturn sky redline with 260hp/260ftlbs and it would easily do 0-60 in 5.5. I would imagine that the rumored 230hp, depending on where it hits in the rpm range and what the torque looks like, should be good for 0-60 in 5.5 or better. I would imagine the boxer engine will be torquey with good low end power relying on the turbo for upper rpm power. We keep hearing that the car will have a huge emphasis on being light and 230 should make this thing really sing...

Fact remains, we do not know how much it will weigh. I don not expect the NA version to weigh less than 2600lbs. I wouldn't expect a turbo version to be much less than 2800lbs.

Under 5.5 s to 60 sounds about right for 260-270hp. That's what I envision for a turbo version. Along with the requisite larger brakes etc.