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Old 06-29-2013, 11:49 AM   #29
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What about the Nissan SR20? That's a 2 liter naturally aspirated engine and is a pretty good engine over all.
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Old 06-29-2013, 11:49 AM   #30
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sr20de/sr20ve engines should be included as part of the list. great engines. the sr20ve made about 190hp and 144tq.

I just saw your post and I agree they should have included the SR20DE as well.
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Thanks for all the inputs... for the sake of keeping things tight... lets keep to 4-cylinders engines from 1.8L to 2.2L.

I'll add the engines identified more recently and then we'll do a part II of this by incorporating some photos and driver inputs (with Pros/Cons) into the OP.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:06 PM   #32
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I just saw your post and I agree they should have included the SR20DE as well.
The SR20DE is not an impressive N/A motor. It made 140hp. Now the SR20VE, that's another story, 20v 200hp.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:20 PM   #33
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In that case 4A-GE belongs to the list. As Toyota's first production engine to incorporate a twin cam system, it holds its own.
How's the 4AG special? It was nothing special. Only 125hp. the 20V was decent; 165hp.

Toyota had Twin Cam engines WAAAY before the 4AGE. The 3M (in the 2000GT), was the first, in 1966.

The first mass produced Toyota Twin cams were the 2T-G and theThe 18-RG, starting in the early 70s.

Those engines are worth mentioning, and were powerful for their time, but not compared to modern engines.

145HP in 1972 with a 7,000 rpm redline yes please. (18R-G) In 2013, umm, that's okay.

Well, if someone's gonna nominate a SR20DE or the 4AG-E as one of the best 1.6~2.2L N/A engines ever produced, then I'm gonna nominate the 18-RG. At least it was impressive for it's time.

That reminds me, though, to nominate the Nissan U20 Engine. 1967, SOHC, 2000cc. 150hp.

4AG-E 20V (165hp,1995) > U20 (150hp, 1967)>18R-G (145hp, 1972)>SR20DE (140hp, 1991)>4AG-E (125hp, 1989)

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Bonus +1: Pics of my U20 which will eventually go into my 67.5 Datsun Sports

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Old 06-29-2013, 05:21 PM   #34
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SR16VE N1 197hp
SR20VE 20v 204hp
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The SR20DE is not an impressive N/A motor. It made 140hp. Now the SR20VE, that's another story, 20v 200hp.

But the VE was never available on the US market.
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Isn't it kind of weird how the OP neglected to put any Nissan motors at all in the list.
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But the VE was never available on the US market.
Neither were Clio sports and Altezzas
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Old 06-29-2013, 08:12 PM   #38
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Neither were Clio sports and Altezzas

Wrong, the Altezza is the Lexus IS300.
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Wrong, the Altezza is the Lexus IS300.
Was it called the Altezza in the US? No.
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But the VE was never available on the US market.
The OP never suggested these motors had to be available stock in the US.
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Listen up!

The best N/A 4cyl engine ever produced is the F20. Period. 2.0L - 240hp

Second best N.A 4cyl engine ever produced is the JDM K20. 2.0L - 220hp

Third best N/A 4cyl engine ever produced is the JDM 2zz-ge. 1.8L - 197hp

1. F20 - 120hp/L
2. JDM K20 - 110hp/L
3. JDM 2zz-ge 109.44hp/L

Once again if it was the battle of the exact displacement, a stroker 2.0L 2zz-ge would win. Monkeywrench Racing's 2.0L stroker kit for the 2zz-ge using Mahle 12.3:1 compression pistons produces 220whp, which surpasses s2000's power.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:52 PM   #42
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JDM SR16VE N1 197hp = 123.13hp/L
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