FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[Random_Art]

So, that leaves Toyota, Honda, Suzuki, Volvo, Saab, and Fiat.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

So, that leaves Toyota, Honda, Suzuki, Volvo, Saab, and Fiat.

There are quite a few more other brands that you can add that I would consider like Lexus, Infinity, Acura etc.

Point being, Korean wouldn't be in my Top 5 choices. Yeah they might improve and establish some credibility but IMO, they are still too young of a car company for me to even consider buying.

[Giccin]

Kia. Car run by hamsters.

lol

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

Gen Coupe being a RWD car, is there any benefit of having the reverse staggered setup? That is something I would like to know.

BTW, I only know Datsun 240Z. Did not know there was a Datsun GTR.....

It is likely used to reduce oversteer. Even the base model 2.0L turbo Gencoupe has staggered tires. Probably maybe sorta kinda for looks too .

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Datsun made other cars/trucks too. Like 260/280z/zx, 510 and so... but I think he was been sarcasm

Yes I are, Ichitaka, yes I are.

And Datsun was just the American versions of imported Nissans. Don't confuse people Ichitaka .

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

Exactly. I had a 2002 Mazda Protege5 that I bought with 45k miles on it and traded in at about 60k because the transmission kept nuking itself. It kept blowing out the rear passenger tire, even though the alignment checked out fine. One of the rear calipers seized up on it. It kept blowing headlights every couple of months. It was when the transmission started leaking for a third time that I've had enough and traded it in for my Celica.

That sucks. I got the same car and I'm about to hit 125k with no issues.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

That sucks. I got the same car and I'm about to hit 125k with no issues.

I've heard bad things about the Mazda/Ford 626/Contour automatics. Any of that shared with the Proteges?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Dude, not even close! How can you call the name change of one Japanese auto maker to another as a comparison.

I'm not down with the Korean automobiles and especially the motorcycles because they are biters! How are they gonna take Yamaha R1 and make a Yamuda K1!!

not being down with korea for biting while japan has been doing it for decades seems kinda hypocritical

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

not being down with korea for biting while japan has been doing it for decades seems kinda hypocritical

Hmmm... Honda popularized (didn't invent, but showed the world a successful application) 4 valve per cylinder heads in the 1960s with their bikes. They also pioneered cam-profile switching in cars.

What have the Koreans pioneered, ever?

[bofa]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Hmmm... Honda popularized (didn't invent, but showed the world a successful application) 4 valve per cylinder heads in the 1960s with their bikes. They also pioneered cam-profile switching in cars.

What have the Koreans pioneered, ever?

Never-ending civil war.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by fatoni

not being down with korea for biting while japan has been doing it for decades seems kinda hypocritical

Originally Posted by Dimman

Hmmm... Honda popularized (didn't invent, but showed the world a successful application) 4 valve per cylinder heads in the 1960s with their bikes. They also pioneered cam-profile switching in cars.

What have the Koreans pioneered, ever?

+1

Create your own path, don't follow someone elses!

The Honda story is the story of one man, Soichiro Honda, and his unparalleled achievement of bringing motor cycles to the masses. Soichiro Honda was a racer, a businessman, and a manufacturer. But most of all he was a dreamer. He dreamed of a better way of making piston rings, founded a small company, and began production. He dreamed of giving people everywhere an economical form of transportation, and began producing small motorcycles, including one built in 1949 called the D-Type Dream.

...

He also loved racing too. So his company built bigger and faster machines, two, four, five and six-cylinder race bikes and won the Isle of Man.

http://smokeriders.com/History/Honda...a_history.html

[fatoni]

just because honda did some things that were unique doesnt mean japanese companies werent just copying european companies. besides, popularized? whites popularized rock and blues in the 50s but lets not act like that means something. i could say that korea popularized the 10 year 100k warranty. most of the world would trade that for a couple extra cam lobes or valves anyday.

im not saying your anectode doesnt hold value in the conversation. you just have to think about how japan has had decades more experience but 20-30 years ago people were having these same conversations between american/euopean cars and the inferior japanese cars.

[zigzagz94]

There was a Q&A session with John Krafcik President of Hyundai America and he said in the next generation (not this MMC) all RWD Genesis platforms would be getting AWD options. So all of the Subaru fanboys who are butthurt that the 216a is RWD and not AWD it looks like Hyundai MAY be getting ready to provide you with a larger more powerful AWD coupe a couple of years from now.

If you want more info go over to gencoupe.com and research...

http://www.gencoupe.com/711249-post10.html
http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...o-tuesday.html

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by fatoni

just because honda did some things that were unique doesnt mean japanese companies werent just copying european companies. besides, popularized? whites popularized rock and blues in the 50s but lets not act like that means something. i could say that korea popularized the 10 year 100k warranty. most of the world would trade that for a couple extra cam lobes or valves anyday.

im not saying your anectode doesnt hold value in the conversation. you just have to think about how japan has had decades more experience but 20-30 years ago people were having these same conversations between american/euopean cars and the inferior japanese cars.

Lean Manufacturing. All Toyota's idea.

What did Japan copy from the Europeans? I'm curious now.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by fatoni

just because honda did some things that were unique doesnt mean japanese companies werent just copying european companies. besides, popularized? whites popularized rock and blues in the 50s but lets not act like that means something. i could say that korea popularized the 10 year 100k warranty. most of the world would trade that for a couple extra cam lobes or valves anyday.

im not saying your anectode doesnt hold value in the conversation. you just have to think about how japan has had decades more experience but 20-30 years ago people were having these same conversations between american/euopean cars and the inferior japanese cars.

Some things!? Japan revoluntionized the automobile market and are the epitome of quality and precision. Honda introduced the small motorcycle to the US in the 50-60's and then during the gas crisis of the 70's. That isn't to say that is when Japan started building good cars b/c it started after WWII, same with Europe.

Look up Japan's post war economic miracle! I highly recommend