2022 TPMS backwards compatible?

[MikeNSX2]

Originally Posted by AK2112

I'd be up Tire Rack's ass for selling these sensors.

I'm going to give them a call later this morning.

I just checked, and I have purchased 17 sets of wheels from Tirerack over the years, so hopefully they will make this right.

[MikeNSX2]

Tirerack did not come through for me.

They basically said that their hardware team verified that the sensors they installed in my wheels are correct for a 2022 BRZ. They then recommended I take it to one of their certified installers (like Firestone) to have them scan and register them to my car.

Funny thing, I guess they do not trust Discount Tire to do this properly, even though Discount Tire bought Tirerack at the beginning of this year. Discount Tire does $4.8 BILLION of revenue per year vs Tirerack's $500 Million, so Discount Tire basically sells 10 times as many wheels/ tires/ sensors than Tirerack.

One would think Discount Tire would know how to do this, since they do it every day.

[Up4speed]

Originally Posted by MikeNSX2

Tirerack did not come through for me.

They basically said that their hardware team verified that the sensors they installed in my wheels are correct for a 2022 BRZ. They then recommended I take it to one of their certified installers (like Firestone) to have them scan and register them to my car.

Funny thing, I guess they do not trust Discount Tire to do this properly, even though Discount Tire bought Tirerack at the beginning of this year. Discount Tire does $4.8 BILLION of revenue per year vs Tirerack's $500 Million, so Discount Tire basically sells 10 times as many wheels/ tires/ sensors than Tirerack.

One would think Discount Tire would know how to do this, since they do it every day.

So will they do something for you if you take it to one on THEIR installers, and they can't do it either?

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by MikeNSX2

They basically said that their hardware team verified that the sensors they installed in my wheels are correct for a 2022 BRZ.

Well, as others have already confirmed, these sensors do indeed work on 2022 BRZ's if set up correctly. I'm sorry for your troubles, but I don't see anything obviously bad that Tire Rack did here.

Originally Posted by MikeNSX2

One would think Discount Tire would know how to do this, since they do it every day.

You expect every technician at thousands of Discount Tire locations to know exactly how to set up TPMS sensors on every single car out there, no matter how new the car is? Do you expect them to know the exact manufacturer's / dealer's procedure to do that, or do you expect them to just know how to use professional grade off-the-shelf tools? What if those tools that they use haven't been updated yet to support the ECUs in the new cars?

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by Panda Grahams

I was just able to activate, learn, and program new TPMS sensors using the Autel TS501.

Has anyone confirmed whether cheaper Autel models work too?
Autel TS408 is $160 on Amazon, TS501 is $225.

[Panda Grahams]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Has anyone confirmed whether cheaper Autel models work too?
Autel TS408 is $160 on Amazon, TS501 is $225.

I don't think anything below a 5xx model will work with our cars. Jumping to the 5xx series grants OBII relearn, which our cars require.

[timurrrr]

Speaking of TPMS sensors cross-compatibility, I just installed those T6 sensors from Tire Rack and tried to register them into my '17 BRZ. I'm still waiting for my '22, but was due for a tire change, so decided to save some money on changing the sensors in the future.

The shop that was working on it said the Autel didn't allow using the new sensors with the 2017 BRZ profile, alerting that the new sensors are incompatible.
I asked them to try the 2017 Camry profile instead. The tool said success, but the TPMS light stayed on even after I drove 10+ miles.

I guess my '17 car has a "you still don't have a '22 car, loser" light now.

[lewesyru]

I will post my reply to @MikeNSX2 in another thread again here since it's better to put all the TPMS discussions together.

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What model of the sensor do you have on your wheels? Are they Tire Rack T5 or T6, or other brands?

I think the tire shop had encountered a similar issue as I had in this post. The gen1 & gen2 sensors are totally different and not interchangeable, and gen2 is actually a Toyota sensor. They won't be detected under Subaru setting.

I guess you have gen1 sensors installed. That's why the tire shop couldn't detect anything in the gen2 setting, no matter what brands / how expensive the tools they were using...

Even if they somehow got the sensor IDs, I think your car will not communicate with them. Panda Grahams has Tire Rack T5 which is gen1 sensors installed, and the IDs were written into the ECU but the tire pressure never shows up in the dash, and eventually the freaking light lit up...

So, I think the best solution for now, is to order some Tire Rack T6 for your gen2 car. OEM is way too costly and on backorder for most of the dealerships.

[MikeNSX2]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Well, as others have already confirmed, these sensors do indeed work on 2022 BRZ's if set up correctly. I'm sorry for your troubles, but I don't see anything obviously bad that Tire Rack did here.



You expect every technician at thousands of Discount Tire locations to know exactly how to set up TPMS sensors on every single car out there, no matter how new the car is? Do you expect them to know the exact manufacturer's / dealer's procedure to do that, or do you expect them to just know how to use professional grade off-the-shelf tools? What if those tools that they use haven't been updated yet to support the ECUs in the new cars?

Well... the person at Discount Tire that checked my sensors was the manager of that store. He told me he was the one person at their location who does the TPMS resets and pairing. He told me he does this at least 3 to 4 times a week.

So...since he does this 100-150 times a year, I do believe he knows what the hell he is doing.

He checked before coming to my car to see if the 2022 BRZ was input into his scanner. It was not.

So, he went back into the store to have his scanner updated to read a 2022 BRZ. When he did, and came back to my car with the 2022 BRZ specs, and he tried to read the sensors. It read "Incorrect Tire Pressure Monitor". He told me that he thinks that Tirerack installed the incorrect TPMS sensors into my wheels.

At this point, I am wondering if Tirerack installed T-5 sensors into my new wheels instead of the correct T-6 sensors.

I will be breaking down my new wheels early next week to see if Tirerack screwed up and installed T-5 sensors. I'm thinking that's they did.

[MikeNSX2]

Originally Posted by lewesyru

I will post my reply to @MikeNSX2 in another thread again here since it's better to put all the TPMS discussions together.

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What model of the sensor do you have on your wheels? Are they Tire Rack T5 or T6, or other brands?

I think the tire shop had encountered a similar issue as I had in this post. The gen1 & gen2 sensors are totally different and not interchangeable, and gen2 is actually a Toyota sensor. They won't be detected under Subaru setting.

I guess you have gen1 sensors installed. That's why the tire shop couldn't detect anything in the gen2 setting, no matter what brands / how expensive the tools they were using...

Even if they somehow got the sensor IDs, I think your car will not communicate with them. Panda Grahams has Tire Rack T5 which is gen1 sensors installed, and the IDs were written into the ECU but the tire pressure never shows up in the dash, and eventually the freaking light lit up...

So, I think the best solution for now, is to order some Tire Rack T6 for your gen2 car. OEM is way too costly and on backorder for most of the dealerships.

I think you are right.

I believe that Tirerack might have incorrectly installed T-5 sensors into my new wheels, instead of the T-6 sensors they that said they did.

I am taking my wheels to have them broken down next week to see if Tirerack installed T-5 or T-6 sensors.

If they incorrectly installed T-5 sensors, they owe me new sensors, plus the labor cost to put them in.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by MikeNSX2

He checked before coming to my car to see if the 2022 BRZ was input into his scanner. It was not.

So, he went back into the store to have his scanner updated to read a 2022 BRZ. When he did, and came back to my car with the 2022 BRZ specs, and he tried to read the sensors. It read "Incorrect Tire Pressure Monitor".

Another possibility: the company that made that updated firmware didn't add the support for 2022 BRZ correctly. Or only added support for OEM 2022 BRZ sensors, but not T6.

Have they tried the Camry trick?

[MikeNSX2]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Another possibility: the company that made that updated firmware didn't add the support for 2022 BRZ correctly. Or only added support for OEM 2022 BRZ sensors, but not T6.

Have they tried the Camry trick?

Yes... I told them to do the Camry trick at Discount Tire while I was there. It didn't work either.

Still think Tirerack installed the wrong sensors into my new wheels, especially since Discount Tire told me it read "Incorrect Tire Pressure Monitor" on their scanner when they scanned them.

There is really no other explanation, in my opinion.

Could be wrong, and often am.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by MikeNSX2

Yes... I told them to do the Camry trick at Discount Tire while I was there. It didn't work either.

Oh, gotcha.

Originally Posted by MikeNSX2

Still think Tirerack installed the wrong sensors into my new wheels, especially since Discount Tire told me it read "Incorrect Tire Pressure Monitor" on their scanner when they scanned them.

If you give them another chance, ask them to try the 2017 BRZ profile. If the sensors read fine, then they are most likely T5 indeed.

[MikeNSX2]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Oh, gotcha.



If you give them another chance, ask them to try the 2017 BRZ profile. If the sensors read fine, then they are most likely T5 indeed.

A dealer buddy told me I should take off my wheels and have Discount Tire break them down to look at the sensors and take some pictures. I am going to do this early next week.

If Tirerack installed T-5's instead of T-6's, (which they may have mistakenly done), I will have a big problem with Tirerack. They should give me new correct sensors as well as paying me to have them installed in my Enkei wheels.

In any instance, Subaru sucks for having it so damn difficult to pair TPMS sensors to our cars. On my Focus ST, all I had to do was mount the new wheels/ tires / sensors on the car, and the car figured out everything for you. No issues at all.

I have never owned a Subaru, and if this is what I have to go through with them in the future, I never will buy a Subaru again.

This is total BS.