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The modifications one chooses to install is based entirely on the owner's risk appetite and their desired ownership experience. FI has a better cost to benefit ratio, I'm not arguing that. Forced induction kits are complex, however, leading to several points of failure. That could be a mechanical point of failure (installed incorrectly, defective parts) or a bad tune. Ultimately that is a major risk, no matter who is doing the work. NA engines are simpler (for the most part), with less complexity and points of failure. Especially if you're simply swapping a factory engine. If it's possible to gain 35 hp, increase torque, and possibly smooth out the power band--all while while reducing risk, I believe it's worth the effort. |
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There could be a case made that the 2.4 would stand boost better and you would end up well above the limits of the 2.0 but at this point we don't even know what the fuel system will be. Did Toyota jump in again or not? I suspect not but we just have to wait for real info not rumours. The 2.4 engines are new enough that they will not be available for cheap for at least a couple of years so on the financial end it still would not be a reasonable swap even to go FI. If anybody here can get 240HP out of a NA boxer engine while meeting all price points and mileage/emissions standards please contact Subaru right away. You will be a super star for them!
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The Ecoboost is 4000lbs with a power to weight ratio nearly identical to the current gen Twins. No way in hell would it lap a Twin on a track. If their goal is to match the Ecoboost then no way in hell will we be seeing a turbo. |
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It was a Mustang vs 86 joke. Was not to be taken seriously.
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No, the ecoboost Mustang is 3532lbs. And has significantly better power to weight, almost 20% better than the 86. 310/3532 = 0.0878 205/2780 = 0.0737 This is easily verifiable information, why spew bullshit when you can spend five seconds to Google it? |
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I did google it: That is right off Ford's website. Why is their site that far off? https://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/mo...oost-fastback/ |
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Whaaaaaaat? Is it the convertible? Edit. No it’s not, I just checked too. Ford’s own numbers are way off! Car and driver weighed it at 3556lbs: https://hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/fi...1524250686.pdf |
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I think it's an error because I found a PDF on the Ford site that had the numbers you gave. Sorry to spread fake news.. thought I could trust their own website. So this is encouraging.. maybe we will see a larger boost in power. |
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You would think right!? Sorry to jump down your throat on this, I never considered ford’s own numbers would be off by 500lbs! |
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My only guess is these numbers are actually GVWR and they mislabeled it curb weight. I almost fell out of my seat when I read those numbers. If I saw the numbers on any other site I would have called BS and continued my search. |
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Maybe they weighed it with two people inside.
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Yes, they seem to have it slightly mislabeled, but that may be their intention in some weird form. The whole category where you find the vehicles weight is under CAPACITIES which talks about volume capacity, seating capacity, etc. So these weights are certainly referencing to GVWR. Definitely weird that they have it listed this way, and also odd that they would neglect to even mention the curb weight. It is what it is.
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