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Old 05-05-2020, 11:48 AM   #2353
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2021 Toyota Supra news dump: New variants, relationship with BMW, 2021 model timing

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Toyota held a news briefing today on the 2021 Toyota Supra for the press. It threw a bunch of information out, including details on how it intends to keep the model fresh every year, the company’s ongoing relationship with BMW, and when we should expect to see the refreshed 2021 Supra models hit dealerships.

Keeping Supra fresh
Jack Hollis, Toyota Group VP and GM, bolstered our learning about new Supra versions and changes coming down the road. The goal is to avoid sales hitting a wall and falling off over time.

“Our goal with the launch was to start there and keep it as flat as possible. We’d like to grow it, but that’s very difficult over time,” Hollis says. “The goal here is lifecycle management … going from one Supra to two Supras is a good way for us to go. Yes, there are some things down the road. There are some other lifecycle management tools that we believe will help us keep a flatter line versus the segment trend.”

Toyota sold about 2,900 units for the 2019 calendar year. The Supra went on sale July 22, and Toyota says the average transaction price was about $56,000-$57,000 in 2019.

“We don’t really put sales objectives on Supra,” Hollis says. “We look at it as this kind of halo vehicle that is plus business for the brand and for our dealers. We’re really pleased with the sales.”

Relationship with BMW
Much ink has been spilled about the relationship between Toyota and BMW concerning the Supra. Now that the car is launched, though, we were eager to learn how that relationship was getting on.

“As we go over time, there is more of a separation,” Hollis says. “While we still are bouncing our ideas off each other and sharing our information, we make an agreement to go our separate ways. ... It’s not devoid of conversation. It’s not devoid of engineering … chief engineer Tada and his team stay in pretty constant contact with BMW on features.”

Ben Haushalter, Toyota's senior manager of vehicle product planning, provided further details on how things were progressing.

“Toyota is still wholly responsible for the tuning and chassis setup on this car,” Haushalter says. “We have a team of engineers stationed in Munich that work side-by-side with BMW guys.”

When will we see the 2021 car?
Nick Miller, Toyota’s marketing manager, shed some light on when the 2021 Supra would launch. Unsurprisingly, the coronavirus has impacted Toyota’s plans, and the car is delayed.

“The plant that builds Supra right now, Magna Steyr, is closed right now due to COVID-19,” Miller says. “So it depends on when that plant is going to come back up. That should be in the next couple of weeks here, from what we understand. Before that plant shut down, we did have 400 model year 2021s built, and they’re on water now and on their way to the U.S.”

Those 400 2021 Supras will go on sale in June this year, but the four-cylinder hasn’t started production yet. As of now, it’s slated for July, and Toyota says it won’t arrive in the U.S. until fall. That amounts to a one- or two-month delay, based on Toyota’s previous launch schedule.
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i don't believe you can. correct me if im wrong, @ichitaka05, but what you see is what you get when it comes to the 2.0
I don't have full info, but iirc 2.0 ver do have optional stuff... but don't think e-suspension and e-dif were one of the package option.

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The 2021 Supra 2.0 offers much more than a lower price point. At 3,181 pounds, it is more than 200 pounds lighter than the Supra 3.0 while maintaining that model’s exemplary near 50:50 weight distribution. That’s because the weight reduction is spread throughout the car:

The Supra 2.0 uses smaller front brake rotors than the Supra 3.0 (330mm x 24mm vs. 348mm x 36mm), and with single-piston calipers vs. four-piston.
The Supra 2.0 does not have the Active Differential and Adaptive Suspension used on the 3.0 model.
A four-speaker audio system is standard, vs. the Supra 3.0’s 10-speaker system.
Supra 2.0 seats are manually adjustable, vs. 14-way power-adjustable in the 3.0.
The Safety and Technology Package is new for MY21 and will be available on the 2.0 and 3.0 grades. That package includes:

Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (Full speed)
Blind Spot Monitor (BSM)
Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Parking Sensors with Emergency Braking Function
Navigation
12-speaker 500-watt JBL Audio System
Wireless Apple CarPlay® compatible (iOS only)
Supra Connected Services: up to four-year trial includes Remote Services, Remote Maintenance, Automatic Emergency Call, Real Time Traffic Information, Concierge, Stolen Vehicle Recovery, and Map Updates.

The Driver’s Assist Package will still be an available option on the 3.0 Premium and A91 Edition. That package includes:
Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (Full speed)
Blind Spot Monitor (BSM)
Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Parking Sensors with Emergency Braking Function
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i don't believe you can. correct me if im wrong, @ichitaka05, but what you see is what you get when it comes to the 2.0
Maybe the Sport Pack is not available in the states. It is definitely an option on the Euro car. Basically you can option the 2.0 with the Sport Pack and Tech Pack, so the only real difference is some interior trim and the 3.0 engine.
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Maybe the Sport Pack is not available in the states. It is definitely an option on the Euro car. Basically you can option the 2.0 with the Sport Pack and Tech Pack, so the only real difference is some interior trim and the 3.0 engine.
Correct. I think, I have rant bout this (somewhere). In Japan, there are 3 options.
SZ - 2.0L w very basic Minimal options
SZ-R - 2.0L w almost all the options from RZ
RZ - 3.0L w all the options

Now I’m US, base model 3.0 have Japan’s SZ-R options. Due to that, US ver 2.0 gets short end of the stick plus they didn’t want to give buyer much debate in options for Supra other than base model 3.0 or Premium 3.0. If you get safety option 2.0 added, you can almost get base model 3.0. How sad is that? No e-dif, brembos nor e-suspension, only for pointless safety options for price of 3.0...
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Makes a little sense, even if it sucks. EU and Japan have much higher insurance costs for larger engines, so people there are more likely to spec the car with all the goodies, but with a smaller engine. I would like the option, but in reality I would just spend the difference for the 3.0T than spec the 2.0T with every package. Limited engines/models/trims/options is part of living in the US.
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Makes a little sense, even if it sucks. EU and Japan have much higher insurance costs for larger engines, so people there are more likely to spec the car with all the goodies, but with a smaller engine. I would like the option, but in reality I would just spend the difference for the 3.0T than spec the 2.0T with every package. Limited engines/models/trims/options is part of living in the US.
not sure of YTD sales, but according to this the 3.0 were the ones to 1st sell out in Japan.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/201...te-eu-au.1692/

same here, if i were in the market for one ill probably go with a 3.0 as well.
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Now I’m US, base model 3.0 have Japan’s SZ-R options. Due to that, US ver 2.0 gets short end of the stick plus they didn’t want to give buyer much debate in options for Supra other than base model 3.0 or Premium 3.0. If you get safety option 2.0 added, you can almost get base model 3.0. How sad is that? No e-dif, brembos nor e-suspension, only for pointless safety options for price of 3.0...
what, really? isnt that only like a $1.2k option.
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what, really? isnt that only like a $1.2k option.
Not fully sure... but if that’s the case, Toyota US totally fucked up 2.0 Supra pricing
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The e-diff and adjustable suspension would probably cost $5000 in options. The 3.0 liter version costs $10k more than the 2.0 liter version. Would be positively idiotic for someone to buy a 2.0 liter model and option it close to the cost of a 3.0.

Like buying a base Boxster and optioning it out to $95k idiotic.
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The e-diff and adjustable suspension would probably cost $5000 in options. The 3.0 liter version costs $10k more than the 2.0 liter version. Would be positively idiotic for someone to buy a 2.0 liter model and option it close to the cost of a 3.0.

Like buying a base Boxster and optioning it out to $95k idiotic.
Yet people do that allllllll the time, especially with Porsches. $140k Carrara 2’s.
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The e-diff and adjustable suspension would probably cost $5000 in options. The 3.0 liter version costs $10k more than the 2.0 liter version. Would be positively idiotic for someone to buy a 2.0 liter model and option it close to the cost of a 3.0.
Like buying a base Boxster and optioning it out to $95k idiotic.
Idiotic or not depends a lot on what is valued by the user.
I'm a lot more interested in the 2.0 at either $40k base or $45k with performance oriented options than I am in the 200 lb. nose-heavier 3.0 at $50k. I don't need the additional horsepower and i value the lighter weight and thousands of $$$$ saved with the 2.0.

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Idiotic or not depends a lot on what is valued by the user.
I'm a lot more interested in the 2.0 at either $40k base or $45k with performance oriented options than I am in the 200 lb. nose-heavier 3.0 at $45k. I don't need the additional horsepower and i value the lighter weight and thousands of $$$$ saved with the 2.0.
I gotta break it to you. 2.0 won't have any performance options. Haven't fully seen the US official paper (yet), but I'm 90% sure on this.
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I gotta break it to you. 2.0 won't have any performance options. Haven't fully seen the US official paper (yet), but I'm 90% sure on this.
That might be fine, I don't need e-diff or suspension, would be nice to have fixed-caliper brakes but not a requirement. Base model at the right price, I might be interested...
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That might be fine, I don't need e-diff or suspension, would be nice to have fixed-caliper brakes but not a requirement. Base model at the right price, I might be interested...
We can only hope... well, you guys will find out in less than 2wks
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