ID injectors are amazing - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

jamesm · 02-06-2014, 03:14 PM

PSA: everyone buying a turbo kit should get some ID injectors to go with. i tuned @Ironsquid's car on them, and they're a dream. i want to throw my DW's in the trash now. we were able to get everything dialed in perfectly in very little time with no fuss at all. by far the best i've tuned with, in a class of their own actually.

the full blown kits come with them. all of the kits should. if yours doesn't and you plan on tuning it yourself (or want really, really good drivability), you should sell whatever yours came with and get some IDs. just my .02

CSG Mike · 02-06-2014, 03:15 PM

Which CC?

DW's are flowbenched and matched, whereas ID's are not. Most ID's flow less than their rated flow, which generally results in easier tuning too, as long as you're not running out of injector...

xxscaxx · 02-06-2014, 03:18 PM

@JuniorAWD preaches these injectors, along with a lot of my friends, and how tuner friendly they are. I sold off my FIC injectors and picked up a set of Injector Dynamics.

Curious @jamesm, what size were they?

Ironsquid · 02-06-2014, 03:18 PM

But but but big turbo cars dont ever drive well and have massive lag and dont hit full boost until redline

Ironsquid · 02-06-2014, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

@JuniorAWD preaches these injectors, along with a lot of my friends, and how tuner friendly they are. I sold off my FIC injectors and picked up a set of Injector Dynamics.

Curious @jamesm, what size were they?

1000cc

xxscaxx · 02-06-2014, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironsquid

1000cc

Thats what I picked up as well.

Ironsquid · 02-06-2014, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Which CC?

DW's are flowbenched and matched, whereas ID's are not. Most ID's flow less than their rated flow, which generally results in easier tuning too, as long as you're not running out of injector...

i hope i dont run out of 1000c injector :0

whitefrs · 02-06-2014, 03:37 PM

@JuniorAWD loves ID 1000cc

jamesm · 02-06-2014, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

@JuniorAWD preaches these injectors, along with a lot of my friends, and how tuner friendly they are. I sold off my FIC injectors and picked up a set of Injector Dynamics.

Curious @jamesm, what size were they?

1000s. I'm only speaking from personal experience. My DWs are much much harder to tune than those IDs.

jamesm · 02-06-2014, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Which CC?

DW's are flowbenched and matched, whereas ID's are not. Most ID's flow less than their rated flow, which generally results in easier tuning too, as long as you're not running out of injector...

We did find that they flow less than rated capacity, but with 1000s and DI, it won't be a limiting factor.

Td-d · 02-06-2014, 03:53 PM

Yeah, these are by far the most consistent injectors - saves a ton of time. If you really want to take it to the next level in terms of the idle and more so the engine breaking parts iro fueling, tune the low pulse width tables with these values - derived from ID's own data sheets.

CSG Mike · 02-06-2014, 03:54 PM

I've had pretty good success with ID1000 on our S2000s

arghx7 · 02-06-2014, 04:12 PM

Here's something to keep in mind. Some would probably object to what I'm saying, but neither Injector Dynamics nor DeatschWerks "invent" or "design" injectors. They resell parts from Bosch, they pick stuff out of a catalog based on price, availability, and what they believe customer demands will be. Bosch is notorious as a fuel system supplier for poor service; I doubt they give these vendors the time of day to make custom spray patterns, not with such low volumes.

If you have two injectors of similar flow rates with a modern coil and valve design, the difference is probably the orifice plate. There are a huge number of factors in injector design, especially regarding the number and positioning of the holes in the orifice plate.

Translation: the vendor might have picked a spray pattern out of a catalog that happens to work better for the application. It could be pure coincidence. Flow matching is a marketing tool. It's not ONLY a marketing tool (I'm not saying it's pointless), but remember that Bosch, the ones who actually made the injectors, have their own quality control and production tolerances.

canu_50 · 02-06-2014, 04:14 PM

I've only had good thing to say about ID1000!!! Use them on my R32 Skyline and sold many on drift car and others.

I never was a fan of DW, since the beginning...

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arghx7 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: car Location: cold Posts: 599 Thanks: 72 Thanked 607 Times in 185 Posts Mentioned: 33 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Here's something to keep in mind. Some would probably object to what I'm saying, but neither Injector Dynamics nor DeatschWerks "invent" or "design" injectors. They resell parts from Bosch, they pick stuff out of a catalog based on price, availability, and what they believe customer demands will be. Bosch is notorious as a fuel system supplier for poor service; I doubt they give these vendors the time of day to make custom spray patterns, not with such low volumes. If you have two injectors of similar flow rates with a modern coil and valve design, the difference is probably the orifice plate. There are a huge number of factors in injector design, especially regarding the number and positioning of the holes in the orifice plate. Translation: the vendor might have picked a spray pattern out of a catalog that happens to work better for the application. It could be pure coincidence. Flow matching is a marketing tool. It's not ONLY a marketing tool (I'm not saying it's pointless), but remember that Bosch, the ones who actually made the injectors, have their own quality control and production tolerances. Attached Images

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,544 Thanks: 8,931 Thanked 14,192 Times in 6,840 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	Which CC? DW's are flowbenched and matched, whereas ID's are not. Most ID's flow less than their rated flow, which generally results in easier tuning too, as long as you're not running out of injector...

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xxscaxx Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 SWP BRZ Location: New York Posts: 2,240 Thanks: 458 Thanked 878 Times in 556 Posts Mentioned: 34 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	@JuniorAWD preaches these injectors, along with a lot of my friends, and how tuner friendly they are. I sold off my FIC injectors and picked up a set of Injector Dynamics. Curious @jamesm, what size were they?

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Td-d Garden variety obsessive Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2009 Sti Hatch; 2015 Audi RSQ3 Location: South Africa Posts: 532 Thanks: 54 Thanked 448 Times in 245 Posts Mentioned: 73 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Yeah, these are by far the most consistent injectors - saves a ton of time. If you really want to take it to the next level in terms of the idle and more so the engine breaking parts iro fueling, tune the low pulse width tables with these values - derived from ID's own data sheets.

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,544 Thanks: 8,931 Thanked 14,192 Times in 6,840 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	I've had pretty good success with ID1000 on our S2000s

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canu_50 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Scion fr-s Location: Terrebonne Posts: 239 Thanks: 115 Thanked 59 Times in 47 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I've only had good thing to say about ID1000!!! Use them on my R32 Skyline and sold many on drift car and others. I never was a fan of DW, since the beginning...

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