2015 upgrade. Is it worth the wait? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

InYOHface · 09-09-2013, 10:22 AM

So as most of you know, Tetsuya Tada, has finally admitted his team is developing a number of ways to increase performance of the showroom version; one of which will definitely make it to production when the 86 receives its mid-life upgrade in 2015.. This upgrade will most likely be a N/A 2.5L boxer pushing 190kw. I'm not so sure if i want to wait this long for the upgrade, so i was just wondering if its worth it or not. I want one now!! Opinion?

thill · 09-09-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by InYOHface

So as most of you know, Tetsuya Tada, has finally admitted his team is developing a number of ways to increase performance of the showroom version; one of which will definitely make it to production when the 86 receives its mid-life upgrade in 2015.. This upgrade will most likely be a N/A 2.5L boxer pushing 190kw. I'm not so sure if i want to wait this long for the upgrade, so i was just wondering if its worth it or not. I want one now!! Opinion?

I think there are like three threads on this. All of this is speculation. Nobody can say if it is worth it or not until we get real details.

If you can wait a few more years to get this car, then wait and see.

DeepHunta · 09-09-2013, 12:18 PM

If you haven't bought your brz yet, then you might as well wait for 2015 or at least until we get further deets on performance gains.

It's really up to the person if they want now or later.

tacoss23 · 09-09-2013, 12:25 PM

It's still speculation. Sort of the kind of speculation that was around time ago regarding a Turbo charged BRZ-STI.

Remember how many "Subaru executives" were "revealing" that they are working on a Turbo BRZ-STI for release?

This is the same. Wishful thinking plus Automotive news feeding on the hype push a "Toyota Executives" that are "revealing" more powerful versions of the vehicle.

The reality....is that a Turbo BRZ-STI made more sense that actually believing Toyota/Subaru will go through a ridiculous costly mid-life upgrade of a powertrain for a platform that is new and most importantly is selling like hot cakes.

Coming from a background of financial analysis and profitability margins in production....believe me, they do need a BIG reason to change a powertrain mid-life of a generation.

Now, this will happen no doubt for the next generation GT-86...but for 2015...I highly doubt it.

campy · 09-09-2013, 12:27 PM

Where did this 2.5L rumor even come from? Did someone just pull it out of their ass or did a Toyota dev say it somewhere?

InYOHface · 09-09-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by campy

Where did this 2.5L rumor even come from? Did someone just pull it out of their ass or did a Toyota dev say it somewhere?

http://www.ft86club.com/?p=2870

thill · 09-09-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by InYOHface

http://www.ft86club.com/?p=2870

It is speculation at best:

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Tada would not divulge any further details, but inside sources claim the most likely option is an increase in displacement, bumping the 2.0-litre horizontally opposed engine out to 2.5-litres and increasing power from 147kW to around 190kW.

Ironically, larger displacement as mentioned here is probably the least likely situation since this car is a global platform and the strict regulations in other parts of the globe concerning displacement. There is a reason why most affordable European sports cars have 1.6-2.0 liter engines...

strat61caster · 09-09-2013, 01:06 PM

No. With more power usually comes more bloat and "features" that are useless for the purpose of this car (fun), the soonest you would be able to buy a '15 will be over a year from now, if you're looking to save up and drive what you're currently driving and it will make it financially easier than go ahead and wait, otherwise you're just missing out on the fun the rest of us are having. Besides, does anyone think 'mid-life' is 2015 for a car that was introduced in 2012? That would imply the platform be scrapped by 2018, a six year lifespan for a car that had huge initial costs doesn't sound right, I'd peg a power upgrade (if it happens at all) would appear in the year 2015 with a '16 model year (stupid american practices) at the soonest, a year later realistically.

Pick up a '13 cheap, you'll be much happier instead of waiting 3 years. It says you already drive a BRZ, what do you care? Enjoy the car you have there's nothing to wait for.

bestwheelbase · 09-09-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by InYOHface

I want one now!! Opinion?

You want it now? Get it now. There will always be another new thing around the corner. If you like the current car, get it and have fun!

Skyllz · 09-09-2013, 01:32 PM

Buy a BRZ now, enjoy it, upgrade it if you feel the need and change it with the newer model when it comes out IF it's any better.

But I would not hold my breath on anything.

All those "should I wait, blablablabla" are just annoying as hell and from people who most likely wont buy one or dont have the money. If you truly liked the car, you would have one already.

NoChance · 09-09-2013, 01:38 PM

You could just do a 3 year lease and pick up a newer model later.

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InYOHface · 09-09-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thill

There is a reason why most affordable European sports cars have 1.6-2.0 liter engines...

ahh.. true. i never thought about that haha.

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

It says you already drive a BRZ, what do you care? Enjoy the car you have there's nothing to wait for.

i would enjoy it if i had the keys in my hands right now. its currently on a boat

MightyMeeple · 09-09-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChance

You could just do a 3 year lease and pick up a newer model later.

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This...or you could be shrewd, wait for the 2015 model, and if the upgrade isn't to you liking, pick up a used 2013 for a great price.

Personally, after my test drive, I couldn't wait to own the car.

snoflewis · 09-09-2013, 02:17 PM

i say you wait till we get the 2.5L. which will probably be in 2020. when you definitely feel that the wait was worth it =P

09-09-2013, 10:22 AM	#1
InYOHface Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: BRZ Location: Australia Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	2015 upgrade. Is it worth the wait? So as most of you know, Tetsuya Tada, has finally admitted his team is developing a number of ways to increase performance of the showroom version; one of which will definitely make it to production when the 86 receives its mid-life upgrade in 2015.. This upgrade will most likely be a N/A 2.5L boxer pushing 190kw. I'm not so sure if i want to wait this long for the upgrade, so i was just wondering if its worth it or not. I want one now!! Opinion?

09-09-2013, 12:18 PM	#3
DeepHunta Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: '05 Outback Wgn, '05 Lotus Elise Location: WA Posts: 543 Thanks: 21 Thanked 99 Times in 67 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If you haven't bought your brz yet, then you might as well wait for 2015 or at least until we get further deets on performance gains. It's really up to the person if they want now or later. __________________ Proud ex-owner of GBS 6MT BRZ Limited. Pre-ordered on Feb-29-2012, got VIN on 5/19 with ETA 6/6, arrived early on 6/2, but still didn't pick it up until Jun-6-2012. Recently sold the Buuurz as of 4/21/2014

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tacoss23 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: '08 328i, '13 Accord Sport, '13 BRZ Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 159 Thanks: 36 Thanked 75 Times in 46 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It's still speculation. Sort of the kind of speculation that was around time ago regarding a Turbo charged BRZ-STI. Remember how many "Subaru executives" were "revealing" that they are working on a Turbo BRZ-STI for release? This is the same. Wishful thinking plus Automotive news feeding on the hype push a "Toyota Executives" that are "revealing" more powerful versions of the vehicle. The reality....is that a Turbo BRZ-STI made more sense that actually believing Toyota/Subaru will go through a ridiculous costly mid-life upgrade of a powertrain for a platform that is new and most importantly is selling like hot cakes. Coming from a background of financial analysis and profitability margins in production....believe me, they do need a BIG reason to change a powertrain mid-life of a generation. Now, this will happen no doubt for the next generation GT-86...but for 2015...I highly doubt it.

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campy No rice, no life Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 1,143 Thanks: 266 Thanked 1,019 Times in 388 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Where did this 2.5L rumor even come from? Did someone just pull it out of their ass or did a Toyota dev say it somewhere?

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Skyllz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Something fun. Location: Canada Posts: 106 Thanks: 39 Thanked 54 Times in 19 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Buy a BRZ now, enjoy it, upgrade it if you feel the need and change it with the newer model when it comes out IF it's any better. But I would not hold my breath on anything. All those "should I wait, blablablabla" are just annoying as hell and from people who most likely wont buy one or dont have the money. If you truly liked the car, you would have one already.

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