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Old 07-20-2020, 01:49 PM   #15
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I would never spend $49k for a PP BRZ. Just saying.
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Old 07-21-2020, 06:46 PM   #16
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That's a HUGE change! I'm sure you felt that! Going from 4.1 to 4.3 is not really noticeable IMO.

The biggest change for me was the suspension. I swapped 2017 Shocks/Springs/Sways on my 2013 a few years ago and it made the car more comfortable, more planted, and better behaved.

Aside from the suspension, the only 2017+ change I really liked was the new cluster with the info display, and track mode. I have since installed both into my 13 as well, works very nicely.

The PP shocks were too stiff at high frequencies, especially the front end bounces all over the place. The brakes felt slightly spongier than on my 13. I already had the facelift tail lights and ended up going back to the stock ones so that wasn't a huge bonus either, and I like the styling of the pre-facelift better overall.

I’m really surprised you felt that way about the Performance Pack! Not doubting you at all, just surprised. I need to drive a twin with the handling or performance package. The Brembos feeling spongy is really interesting. I wonder if they feel better with some heat in them? Maybe it’s the pads?


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Old 07-21-2020, 06:55 PM   #17
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I’m really surprised you felt that way about the Performance Pack! Not doubting you at all, just surprised. I need to drive a twin with the handling or performance package. The Brembos feeling spongy is really interesting. I wonder if they feel better with some heat in them? Maybe it’s the pads?


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I didn't say they're spongy, I said spongier than my 2013. They are by no means bad.

The PP shocks were similarly not bad, just a lot more uncomfortable for the small increase in low speed damping.
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I would never spend $49k for a PP BRZ. Just saying.
I don't think anyone would ever pay $49K for a BRZ period.
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Old 07-23-2020, 09:38 AM   #19
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unless you live in Australia lol.
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unless you live in Australia lol.
And even then people are just applying exchange rates which is totally meaningless comparison and a fool's game. Values of products in a country to do go up and down with the exchange rates and $1 in one means it is $1 there not some arbitrary fraction/increase of that dollar compared to the US. If you want to use exchange rates then you need to apply it to everything including income and then you will get an apples to apples comparison.
The OP is in Malaysia so yes the car casts more but not sure where this $49K that keeps getting thrown around came from since he clearly said they were $39K.
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.... and a 2017 BRZ is about $39,000.(Yes, Malaysia imposed high import tax for car)
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.... The brembo brake model could cost as high as $49k....
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The OP is in Malaysia so yes the car casts more but not sure where this $49K that keeps getting thrown around came from since he clearly said they were $39K.
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:15 PM   #22
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unless you live in Australia lol.
Nah they’re no where near $49K here, even for the top tS model. 86 has a a similar price range. Price is drive away.
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I will update my thread to say I would never spend 44k on a BRZ.
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I will update my thread to say I would never spend 44k on a BRZ.
Not in the US you wouldn't!
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I will update my thread to say I would never spend 44k on a BRZ.
LOL, $44K US I’d agree with you. It’s approximately $31K in your money, then there’s wage differences and tax differences etc. that come into account, never apples and apples. The pretax price of AUD $41K might be a closer comparison to a tS over in the US. Approximately $29K in your money pre-tax.

Assume we’re probably getting ripped off slightly .

For example the prices of European cars over here would make your eyes water, we also have a luxury car tax on top of GST. 33% tax on vehicles above AUD $68K (every $1 above $68K has a 33% tax, ouch!) Porsches and those sorts of cars get expensive very quickly. I know it’s a big sticking point with the EU free trade agreement the government is negotiating, they see it as a tariff, which is fair enough.

Anyway glad the twins are under the threshold and that we can enjoy a fun sports car at a reasonable price.

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LOL, $44K US I’d agree with you. It’s approximately $31K in your money, then there’s wage differences and tax differences etc. that come into account, never apples and apples. The pretax price of AUD $41K might be a closer comparison to a tS over in the US. Approximately $29K in your money pre-tax.

Assume we’re probably getting ripped off slightly .

For example the prices of European cars over here would make your eyes water, we also have a luxury car tax on top of GST. 33% tax on vehicles above AUD $68K (every $1 above $68K has a 33% tax, ouch!) Porsches and those sorts of cars get expensive very quickly. I know it’s a big sticking point with the EU free trade agreement the government is negotiating, they see it as a tariff, which is fair enough.

Anyway glad the twins are under the threshold and that we can enjoy a fun sports car at a reasonable price.
You sort of had it and then made a sudden right turn!
We aren't "ripped off" in other countries because we pay more. The exchange rate is not a fair way to compare prices. If the Au dollar goes above the US one at some point does that mean that all of a sudden everything is cheaper in Australia because you apply the rate? Price are just different because the value of things and the LOCAl economy, not because you applied a US rate to it.
The average income in Australia is $82,000 AUD and the average in the US is $56,000 USD. This would make the Aussie price for the car better deal when looking at percentage of income in local currency.
As much as the Americans would like to think they can just compare dollar to dollar based on what theirs is worth at any given point does not make it even remotely accurate. The world's local economies and value of cash are NOT based upon the US exchange rate. The only time the exchange rate means shit is if you are paying in US$ and even then it only applies to the difference at that very point in time.
Another reason it appears that the US pays less for things is simply there mass of population. They can indeed get things cheaper since sheer volume brings down the prices. It doesn't mean we are getting "ripped off" though.
This is obviously one of my pet peeves because it is so often misunderstood and really shows much of the American attitude that the world revolves around them. I have news... IT DOESN'T.
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The average income in Australia is $82,000 AUD and the average in the US is $56,000 USD.
Average income is a heavily skewed statistic. Median income is much better, but there are a lot of factors to consider when comparing stats from different countries. A quick Google shows US $62,000 median income and Australia is $49,000 AUD. (not sure where you got the $56,000 for the US, though)

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Another reason it appears that the US pays less for things is simply there mass of population. They can indeed get things cheaper since sheer volume brings down the prices.
Coming originally from a small European market, I can wholeheartedly say that cars in the US are cheap. However, the main reason for that is taxation, not volume. Most countries tax car sales and use (i.e. fuel tax) heavily (typically with special vehicle related taxes, not just higher Sales/VAT), while the US doesn't (although that varies by state, obviously). Also, in many countries sale prices are shown after tax, while US MSRPs are pre-tax, making US prices seem even cheaper by comparison.
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