Gun Showcase Thread (No Politics or Philosophical Discussions)

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Man, you are the one trying to be serious about it. I was just remarking on that because I found the thought comical. You don't need to justify the "it's fancy and I want it" deal to a bunch of people on a car forum. In fact, based on what happens in the actual car threads, it's probably better you don't try lol.

My comment about training in low light conditions was more referring to the use of white light and proper understanding of movement and identification of surroundings and people and such. Also on how to still have good manipulation and mechanics of handling whatever weapon you have in your hands when you can't see it.

Wasn't really referring to NV there. Though NV also presents similar issues as depth perception becomes an issue, even with the better units like the 31Bs. Even the quad 18s, which some think are the ultimate godsend lol.

NV is fun though.. and it has its place.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I agree, a weapon is always more effective if you can see what you are shooting at -

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

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Now, that looks like a fun air rifle -

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Now, that looks like a fun air rifle -

I'll see tomorrow, but from the dry fires I did to get the resevoir shipped pressure down to 300bar I think it will be nice indeed. Trigger almost as good as the Accutrigger on my .308Win Savage 10FP. Stock is nice, but not 'excellent' - fit is really good, finish is 'okay', wood is more a B stock grade level... which is fine because this costs a little less than 1/2 of what the main premium top tier PCPs (Pre-charged Pneumatic) run. From every review I've seen on this new Benjamin chassis series (Cayden, Akela [bullpup config], and Kratos), they shoot just about as good as the more premium level PCPs - just in fit/finish where they are not top level. I can justify $600 or less for a PCP... $1,200 and up not so much.

And here's my Savage .308 with old Millett scope (now has Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16×44 Mil-dot on it)

[TylerLieberman]

Another one completed. 9” Suppressed 300BLK AR. Ballistic Advantage, BCM, Aero, Surefire etc. for the goodies.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Another one completed. 9” Suppressed 300BLK AR. Ballistic Advantage, BCM, Aero, Surefire etc. for the goodies.

Good looking weapon.

[serialk11r]

Question from a gun noob: I've been thinking about getting some guns since February (yep, for THAT reason), but I only plan on living in states with silly laws due to career. Should I go for an AR-15 pattern gun with a funny stock, or a California-law specialized gun like a Keltec RDB?

I have fired a few different rented guns at ranges before, but the internet says an AR is "the best" gun to have because of ergonomics and parts and such. However when I look at the RDB, I see a longer barrel (+6 damage in Counter Strike!), reviews that say it's reliable as long as you don't get mud into the ejection port, and I don't have to worry about it breaking any NY/CA/NJ/IL laws which ban popular guns by name.

Another thing I was thinking about was a .223/5.56 rifle vs a PCC given I can't have a suppressor. A 9mm round is much less powerful, producing less noise and flash, but people on the internet told me "all guns are loud" and "the military uses 5.56 carbines indoors".

[humfrz]

[QUOTE=serialk11r;3370605]Question from a gun noob: I've been thinking about getting some guns since February (yep, for THAT reason),...........

Welp, if you're looking for a home defense weapon, which is simple, dependable and has accessible and reasonably priced ammunition, ......I would recommend a .45 ACP.

It's fairly easily concealed, can be used as a carry, fairly accurate at close range and packs quite a punch.

You see, I figure it this way. If the bad guys are out of range of my .45 ACP, I'm not going to draw their fire by shooting at them, whether they are coming or going.

This weapon will stop any man (unless he has on a bullet proof vest) regardless of what he is "on", with one well placed shot. Of course, if their are 6 other men, you have them covered also.

Now, please keep in mind (for the gun noob in you) that you should NEVER level a weapon on someone if you are not willing to pull the trigger and to shoot to kill.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Welp, if you're looking for a home defense weapon, which is simple, dependable and has accessible and reasonably priced ammunition, ......I would recommend a .45 ACP.

I think you missed the part about "states with silly laws"

Handguns are straight up illegal in NYC and SF, and harder to get in several states, which also don't allow concealed carry.

Hence, short rifles. 16" barrel 9mm carbines and the RDB are right above the 30" overall length minimum.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I think you missed the part about "states with silly laws"

Handguns are straight up illegal in NYC and SF, and harder to get in several states, which also don't allow concealed carry.

Hence, short rifles. 16" barrel 9mm carbines and the RDB are right above the 30" overall length minimum.

As far as SF there may be a work around. Drive down to Gilroy, stop at the post office and take out a post office box, then stop around to the Gilroy police station and apply for a concealed weapons permit. After you get your CWP, then you can carry a handgun in SF.

As far as NYC - don't take a job where you have to live in NYC!

OR

Just buy a 12 gauge pump shotgun and a box of "00" shotgun shells. -

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by humfrz

As far as SF there may be a work around. Drive down to Gilroy, stop at the post office and take out a post office box, then stop around to the Gilroy police station and apply for a concealed weapons permit. After you get your CWP, then you can carry a handgun in SF.

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Never going to happen in Gilroy unless you are a high end jeweler, bail bondsman, or politician. It is a little more populated, and probably a lot more liberal than the last time you were there.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I think you missed the part about "states with silly laws"

Handguns are straight up illegal in NYC and SF, and harder to get in several states, which also don't allow concealed carry.

Hence, short rifles. 16" barrel 9mm carbines and the RDB are right above the 30" overall length minimum.

Anything you fire indoors without a suppressor (and some that have a suppressor) are going to be loud AF no matter what.

I would go with the RDB because rifles shooting rifle cartridges are way more effective than PCC's firing handgun cartridges. Also sounds like you are probably going to be limited to 10 rounds if you are in crappy states, might as well make it 10 much more effective .223's.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Question from a gun noob: I've been thinking about getting some guns since February (yep, for THAT reason), but I only plan on living in states with silly laws due to career. Should I go for an AR-15 pattern gun with a funny stock, or a California-law specialized gun like a Keltec RDB?

I have fired a few different rented guns at ranges before, but the internet says an AR is "the best" gun to have because of ergonomics and parts and such. However when I look at the RDB, I see a longer barrel (+6 damage in Counter Strike!), reviews that say it's reliable as long as you don't get mud into the ejection port, and I don't have to worry about it breaking any NY/CA/NJ/IL laws which ban popular guns by name.

Another thing I was thinking about was a .223/5.56 rifle vs a PCC given I can't have a suppressor. A 9mm round is much less powerful, producing less noise and flash, but people on the internet told me "all guns are loud" and "the military uses 5.56 carbines indoors".

AR15 and a pistol. Done.

9mm is adequate. The old gun fudds that say 9mm does nothing are stuck in the old days and don't understand how far ballistics and technology have come over the more recent years. Glock 17/19 are great options that are hard to beat. 15-17+ rounds easy, plenty of options available, and ability to use a light out of the box with the rail. Yes they're 9mm.

Ask over 90% of law enforcement what they carry... 9mm Glock. Ask SOF guys what they carry... 9mm glock. Even other military units that are being issued Sig M17/M18s (also 9mm) have plenty of long time experienced individuals who still prefer their 9mm Glock. Is it the prettiest or most comfortable gun? No and no. But it does exacly what it's intended to do, every time. And if you're trying to win a gun fight, that's what matters.

Shotguns are also overrated. They can still over penetrate and people who say "you don't even have to aim" again don't understand spread patterns or ballistics.

For ARs, don't get too hung up on barrel length. An 11" AR still has a muzzle velocity around 2400ft/s. You can still stretch that out to 300yrds easily, and further to 500 if you know what you're doing. There's probably no real world scenario you're having to shoot that far of a distance; especially in a more suburban area. If you were out on some open rural land more east, then maybe I'd say sure go with like a 16" gun. There's really no need for anything more than that. 11.5" to 14.5" is a sweet spot for the AR platform. 10.5" and shorter can be done with 5.56, but you're starting to lose too much dwell time at that point and can run into cycling issues, as well as start getting a much more violent recoil impulse. 11.5" is just long enough to have reliable dwell time and consistent cycling of the weapon with pretty much any ammo. 14.5" is just short enough to not be too cumbersome when manipulating in more tight/confined spaces.

As far as the California and NY laws... you're stuck between a rock and a hard place there. I'm not attorney, and I'm not giving legal advice... but fuck their arbitrary laws.

If it were me, I'd get a 9mm pistol. Either Glock 17/19 or Sig P320. Add a good light and be done. Get an AR (pistol), between 11.5" and 14.5" in length. Add a good light. And an optic. Get a good sling. A sling can make or break how effective a weapon is in dynamic situations.

Ammo will make a big difference. Don't use ball/FMJ ammo for defense. 9mm ball ammo will blow through walls just like 5.56 will and just like some shotgun ammo will. There's plenty of YT videos demonstrating this. For me, I use 147gr HP 9mm ammo for my G19 which is my EDC and is on my night stand. For my rifle, I keep my 9" 300BLK gun out, which runs 220gr soft point, subsonic ammo. The round travels sub 1,000ft/s, so there's no sonic crack, which helps save my hearing, and it stops very quickly, so very little risk of over pentration. But that's the benefit of using 300BLK and a suppressor. 5.56 does not like traveling at slow speeds. 5.56 even WITH a suppressor is going to be loud. It's reducing the * sound signature* more than it is the *sound level*.

But in the end, remember... Rifle calibers are MUCH more effective and lethal in nature compared to pistol caliber rounds.

[TylerLieberman]

Good videos here showing differences between various forms of ammo and over penetration with various types of walls/structures.