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Old 06-23-2022, 11:24 AM   #57
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The S2000 had a similarly-optimized intake from the factory, however there is always room for improvement. The intakes on these cars are no different. Claiming that intakes don't make power on these cars is a bit disingenuous, especially when there is clear evidence that they do.

D-Sport also did a comparison of a ton of available intakes for the FR-S and found that most, if not all of them, made considerable power with a tune. Link here: https://dsportmag.com/the-tech/scion...ting-ecutek/9/
That is not what he said. What he said was the S2000 is older. You are comparing the level of intake optimization of a 20 years old car to a modern one like they are the same. We have more tech and a better understanding of the engineering behind it.

Considering the stock car with a tune made 179whp it's like everyone said, most aftermarket intakes don't make that much of a difference on the 1st gen considering the best one made 183whp, and it's not like those gains stack.

I have seen enough datalogs on aftermarket intakes to say I would be surprised D-Sport got those numbers without at least some maf scaling correction. Most need a good bit of rescaling, my perrin had LTFT's off around +10%. I have always been suspicious of their tests, but then again they do want to keep the companies that pay for adds on their website happy.
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I would be interested in seeing if it makes any extra HP (dyno-verified) WITHOUT a tune. Because right now, that is the only choice we have.

I don't doubt that it might make a few more HP with a tune. But since almost all of my engine mod choices are cost/value/hassle propositions, this would definitively not qualify as being of interest to me almost regardless of what those tests would show.

Still think that the best bang for the buck, by far, on the first gen was catless headers/OFT tune/e85. I really hope that option becomes available for 2nd gen.
I emailed Shiv last month and he said developing OFT for the 2nd Gens is currently his top priority.........but we will see.
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I emailed Shiv last month and he said developing OFT for the 2nd Gens is currently his top priority.........but we will see.

A whole new generation of twin owners can be frustrated by their terrible customer service
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Well ya know 500 bucks should buy a lifetime of free tunes and 24/7 customer support.
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Well ya know 500 bucks should buy a lifetime of free tunes and 24/7 customer support.
Well any support at all would be a step up.
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Well any support at all would be a step up.
I received plenty of support both over the phone and via YouTube tutorials.
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I received plenty of support both over the phone and via YouTube tutorials.
At first yes.
We have been down this road.
YouTube tutorials are NOT customer support.
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I had GREAT customer service. I ordered the product. I got my hardware. I was emailed my tunes. I installed them. They worked great. And considering the $500 I paid (of which I could probably easily get $250 back today), I don't see how you can't recognize the value provided for the cost.

If you want a custom tune and superior customer service (and are willing to pay for it), by all means you should definitely buy Ecutek.
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I had GREAT customer service. I ordered the product. I got my hardware. I was emailed my tunes. I installed them. They worked great. And considering the $500 I paid (of which I could probably easily get $250 back today), I don't see how you can't recognize the value provided for the cost.

If you want a custom tune and superior customer service (and are willing to pay for it), by all means you should definitely buy Ecutek.
Early buyers did. Then when he moved onto new platforms he just seemed to disappear. Later customers had nothing but issues. It is very well documented on here.
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I had GREAT customer service. I ordered the product. I got my hardware. I was emailed my tunes. I installed them. They worked great. And considering the $500 I paid (of which I could probably easily get $250 back today), I don't see how you can't recognize the value provided for the cost.

If you want a custom tune and superior customer service (and are willing to pay for it), by all means you should definitely buy Ecutek.
I am not talking about lifetime of free tunes or tunes at all, I am talking about actual issues and going months without getting responses.
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I am not talking about lifetime of free tunes or tunes at all, I am talking about actual issues and going months without getting responses.
I wasn't around so I don't know what/how things happened. And obviously being a late, late adopter, I received the benefit of what everyone else went through. Indeed, it will be hard for me to decide what to do if/when OFT provides a Gen 2 solution as I would love what I believe will be similar gains on Gen 2 for a similar set-up (OFT/catless headers/e85). But I also don't want to be an OFT (or an EcuTek or anybody else for that matter) guinea pig. Regardless, I do know I really want that option and I don't think endlessly bashing Shiv on these forums is helpful in that especially when I had such a positive experience myself.
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Oh I agree, and I used OFT on my NC1 and my first gen BRZ. I've also emailed EcuTek last month and there answer was "We've begun initial development work. And should be getting back to it soon, no timeline for release."

I'm just hoping it doesn't go the way of the ND2 Miata, where they just decided it wasn't worth the effort. So there is no Ecutek option for the ND1, which is why you aren't seeing a CARB legal Edelbrock kit for it, for example.

It will be a real bummer if that happens to the twins.

All I can say is I hope everyone emails them, hits them up on social media, etc, so they know the demand is there.
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I wasn't around so I don't know what/how things happened. And obviously being a late, late adopter, I received the benefit of what everyone else went through. Indeed, it will be hard for me to decide what to do if/when OFT provides a Gen 2 solution as I would love what I believe will be similar gains on Gen 2 for a similar set-up (OFT/catless headers/e85). But I also don't want to be an OFT (or an EcuTek or anybody else for that matter) guinea pig. Regardless, I do know I really want that option and I don't think endlessly bashing Shiv on these forums is helpful in that especially when I had such a positive experience myself.
On the other hand maybe he will read the comments and improve his service.
There were many that were sharpening their pitchforks and lighting the torches to go hunt him down at one point.
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Here's my take on that intake.

Gazoo Racing engineers have made & used it on their 86 and 86GRMN way before GruppeM or other DIYers.


With that said, they designed the front bumper area to get certain amount of air/force fed into that intake.

Just like other mods, is it worth the price? That's up to the buyer. It might be a bling factor, it might be power factor (even it only give 0.5% more whp). If the buyer thinks it's worth $1,600, sure go for it.

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Yes, that's an actual GRMN 86 intake manifold. Yes, you could of bought it (there's part #). No, you can't buy it anymore (they discontinued).
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