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GR86 General Topics (2nd Gen 2022+ Toyota 86) General topics for the GR86 second-gen 86


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Old 05-19-2021, 08:55 AM   #575
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Power figures doesn't mean much alone, unless you are looking for top speed numbers. It is the power to weight ratio that matters most.
And manufacturer rated power figures mean even less. What it puts out at the crank can be radically different from what it puts to the ground.
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:14 AM   #576
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Power figures doesn't mean much alone, unless you are looking for top speed numbers. It is the power to weight ratio that matters most.
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And manufacturer rated power figures mean even less. What it puts out at the crank can be radically different from what it puts to the ground.
They are good indicators, nothing is perfect. I mean the WRX will probably lose more through the drivetrain than the GR86 owing to AWD (I assume this is still the case anyway), but I'd still expect it to be pretty close.

Yes power to weight is far better and more relevant than just power or torque to assess performance, but even inside this metric its not perfect.

As its based off a peak figure (even if its combined with a figure that isn't), it still suffers from the same bugbear as when we use ANY peak figure - it matters what the power was across the WHOLE rev range of your required application, not just the peak. No doubt the WRX would have a good chunk of near to full power for larger (if lower down) part of the revs when daily driving. On the track a little less advantageous.

But anyway, the FACT that we are thereabouts to the performance of a ~265hp WRX turbo with just a NA boxer 4 pot is freaking awesome in my books.
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0-60/0-100 times are funny, they are all over the place. Some manufacturers underrate, some overrate, so it is difficult to compare official numbers. Only way to be sure is test the cars back to back on the same track, on the same day with the same driver and testing gear. Anything else is subject to too much variance and uncertainty.

Whilst it would be great to see a full 1 sec improvement in the 0-100 time, I’m also sceptical. That’s a significant reduction for a fairly modest power and torque bump, but maybe it’s possible.
The improved tires (assuming they timed this on a car on the PS4s) would help too.
On the 0-60s, even magazines are wildly-inconsistent (some of them allow a few feet rollout before they start the clock, some of them will dump the clutch or abuse the car for the best possible time, etc)
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This car looks so simple and elegant. It's gonna sell.
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That looks great. Too bad the car doesn't actually look like that. This is like it's prettier sister.
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That looks great. Too bad the car doesn't actually look like that. This is like it's prettier sister.
We get it, you don't like the 2nd gen . . . lots of other threads for the first gen where I'm sure you'll be much happier . . .
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We get it, you don't like the 2nd gen . . . lots of other threads for the first gen where I'm sure you'll be much happier . . .
Well, OK then. But if you think that drawing looks like MK2 you may need to check your own opinion about the upcoming version.

Honestly, I like the Toyota version better than the Subaru version.
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I love both models! I love the BRZ because it looks like a goofy teenager that just got his braces off and has a big shit eating grin, I smile every time I see it. As a subaru it should be a little quirky -- like the old bug eyes.

I also love the GR 86, it's simpler, minimalistic, a little meaner -- everything you need and nothing you don't.

I never said anything about the picture but let's talk about that, it inspired someone to dream. Do you like crapping on other people's dreams? I don't think you do. But we get old and cranky and want things to be a certain way usually inspired by our idealized youths at some point and time . . . but here we are . . .

Check my own opinion -- I don't even know what to do with that, but I'll be sure to ask my therapist at my next session when we discuss my multiple personalities.

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Old 05-23-2021, 05:04 PM   #587
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Well, OK then. But if you think that drawing looks like MK2 you may need to check your own opinion about the upcoming version.

Honestly, I like the Toyota version better than the Subaru version.

It looks like a stanced gen 2 with a lip kit and wing to me.


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