DME Lower Control Arms and DME Toe Arms - Review - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

FT-86 SpeedFactory · 07-08-2013, 06:05 PM

Wanted to share this with you guys as another good option for rear end camber and toe correction.

NRG Innovations produces a line called DME and in that they have lower control arms and toe arms for the Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ, and Toyota GT-86. These are an affordable solution that adds the camber and toe adjustment we need on our cars. An added bonus is they look good as well.

The LCA's have a solid bushing ( no pillow ball like Cusco ) so for some AutoX classes that is important. The Toe arms are pretty simple and offer more adjustment than a sane person should need. Same goes for the camber you can get enough camber to look like the DeLorean from Back to the Future if you choose to.

Anyway picture time!

Lower Control Arms

Toe Arms

omegared19 · 07-08-2013, 06:35 PM

Those control arms look pretty sweet. I especially like the two posts going across the top of the boxed arm for added rigidity.

Overland'n'5thGEN · 07-08-2013, 11:35 PM

Are the rear arms the same spec as stock as far as height? Or do they lower the car a bit?

Do like these and they would look good on a Hot Lava.

E46toFT86 · 07-08-2013, 11:47 PM

What's the pricing on these bad boys?

JDMSushi · 07-09-2013, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by E46toFT86

What's the pricing on these bad boys?

+1

Overland'n'5thGEN · 07-09-2013, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by E46toFT86

What's the pricing on these bad boys?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDMSushi

+1

It's on their site.

OICU812 · 07-09-2013, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory

The LCA's have a solid bushing ( no pillow ball like Cusco ) so for some AutoX classes that is important.

Just curious on this comment, bushing vs pillowball, guess I don't understand the difference on how it works or changes things on the car? LCAs are last thing I haven't got yet...well that and coils...

continuecrushing · 07-09-2013, 05:38 AM

I like the color!

empower-auto · 07-09-2013, 10:03 PM

steel control arms? looks great, except for being hell to adjust, like cusco's

FT-86 SpeedFactory · 07-09-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by empower-auto

steel control arms? looks great, except for being hell to adjust, like cusco's

Cuscos are super easy....

These will be as well.

King Tut · 07-10-2013, 03:59 PM

Cuscos are super easy? If by easy you mean, having to drop the control arm from the subframe to adjust it.

FT-86 SpeedFactory · 07-10-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut

Cuscos are super easy? If by easy you mean, having to drop the control arm from the subframe to adjust it.

If you set the adjustment out before you install it and then just use the one section to adjust it isn't bad at all. Easy to get a wrench in there.

If you leave it how they come out of the box, then yeah they are a pain.

wheelhaus · 07-10-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OICU812

Just curious on this comment, bushing vs pillowball, guess I don't understand the difference on how it works or changes things on the car? LCAs are last thing I haven't got yet...well that and coils...

Bushings are typically a very firm rubber or polyurethane and flex/squish when the joint bends. Soft rubber is used when NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) are not wanted, such as on a typical sedan or luxury car. This also reduces feedback, can make the car feel vague when driven hard because the suspension geometry distorts under high load, causing the wheel's alignment to give. A firm enough durometer can make a bushing feel much more responsive by maintaining suspension geometry under such loads. This mostly becomes an issue with high grip tires and other suspension upgrades.

Pillowball joints (a.k.a. heim joints) use a metal ball in a metal socket with a liner made of teflon or other material to act as a lubricant. This style of joint has zero flex and will not distort under load, so it's ideal for competition use, and provides the highest degree of feedback to the driver on exactly what the car is doing. However, it has the highest chance of transmitting NVH. Because it's a moving ball and socket, it has a higher potential for physical wear and deterioration. Typically these are reserved for track only cars, race cars, or other competition vehicles because of the NVH and exposure to the elements isn't ideal for a daily driver.

For autoX or other competition event that classifies cars into specific categories or classes, such an upgrade (to pillowball joints) could be considered an advantage and may be disallowed for certain classes.

Persionally I'd stick with firm bushings for ease of maintenance unless there's a pillowball system that's virtually indestructible and immune to any/all wear.

Brzzee · 07-11-2013, 10:19 PM

So do the pillow balls used by Cusco meet with your criterion?

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