Transmission shifting when cold?

[Pat]

Originally Posted by HKz

...as for the trans, I like the fact that it is clunky when cold *gasp* it actually feels mechanical

You live in Mesa, AZ. What does "cold" mean to you?
Try driving in zero degree weather and still see if you like the way it shifts when cold.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Pat

You live in Mesa, AZ. What does "cold" mean to you?
Try driving in zero degree weather and still see if you like the way it shifts when cold.

..you got me there, but nonetheless it is still clunky when it ain't at the proper temps

[Zentec]

Originally Posted by JD001

If our transmission was in an Alfa it would be described as character. As it's in Japanese machine it's described as 'crap'. Poor car..

Just a little off. If it was in an Alfa t would be described as $12,000 character money buys character. If it was in a Land Rover it would be described as elite, if it was in a Jaguar it would be described as broke. If it was in ford it would be described as found on road dead. If it was in Kia it would be described as crap. In Japanese it would be described persise so persise that if your not persise your self you have trouble getting it in gear. :smile:

[NRXRaptor]

Originally Posted by HKz

..reading about the torque dip has officially become worse than reading about politics/religion...it is too easy to complain about the power, yall bought the wrong car folks. you need to fork over more cash to get the best of both worlds agility & power, otherwise stop the cryin...



...as for the trans, I like the fact that it is clunky when cold *gasp* it actually feels mechanical

People just expect a flat torque curve in a car, especially a sports car. I floored it in my dad's 2001 mazda protege and it felt faster because the torque didn't go away at 3000 rpm. Now that I have replaced the headers and the tune the torque dip is gone. It feels like 200 bhp now. It's not like the car has to wait to get on boost for the torque to come on. That dip is simply a flaw and shouldn't be there. I have no idea why its there, but I suspect it has to do with emissions.

If people want to leave that valley in their torque curve where it should be a steady rise to a peak that's fine. Their car isn't my car

[highway7]

Originally Posted by HKz

..you got me there, but nonetheless it is still clunky when it ain't at the proper temps

Those of us driving in Northern climates would be happy with clunky, most of us are locked out of 2nd gear completely without double clutching

[toyubie]

This entire thread...



tl;dr get yourself some of this and let your goddamn tranny warm up

[HKz]

Originally Posted by NRXRaptor

People just expect a flat torque curve in a car, especially a sports car. I floored it in my dad's 2001 mazda protege and it felt faster because the torque didn't go away at 3000 rpm. Now that I have replaced the headers and the tune the torque dip is gone. It feels like 200 bhp now. It's not like the car has to wait to get on boost for the torque to come on. That dip is simply a flaw and shouldn't be there. I have no idea why its there, but I suspect it has to do with emissions.

If people want to leave that valley in their torque curve where it should be a steady rise to a peak that's fine. Their car isn't my car

..?..please show me a NA dyno chart which doesn't have torque dip for virtually any car, cheap or expensive. This forum has already gone through the motions of beating this concept to death...think @Tcoat posted some good dyno chart examples in the past..

Originally Posted by highway7

Those of us driving in Northern climates would be happy with clunky, most of us are locked out of 2nd gear completely without double clutching

time to get a car with a manual connected by cables

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by HKz

..?..please show me a NA dyno chart which doesn't have torque dip for virtually any car, cheap or expensive. This forum has already gone through the motions of beating this concept to death...think @Tcoat posted some good dyno chart examples in the past..



time to get a car with a manual connected by cables

Yep. And not going to post again since it is dyno charts that many people base their concern about the dip on. Hell, people that have never driven the car complain about the dip based on the charts.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by HKz

..reading about the torque dip has officially become worse than reading about politics/religion...it is too easy to complain about the power, yall bought the wrong car folks. you need to fork over more cash to get the best of both worlds agility & power, otherwise stop the cryin...

No one is crying. It's just annoying to watch people defend a negative characteristic and suggest we should either pretend it's not there or buy a different car if we don't like it. Both of those ideas are ignorant. I bought the car because it's a great platform. The torque dip is just one more thing to fix. Maybe the Camry forum or some other non-enthusiast forum would be more appropriate for these apologist perspectives, because it's comical from an enthusiast's perspective.

Originally Posted by HKz

..?..please show me a NA dyno chart which doesn't have torque dip for virtually any car, cheap or expensive.

That's easy. Look at pretty much any BMW M engine ever for starters. What would be difficult is for you to show a modern sports car with a torque dip as severe as the FA20.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gtengr

No one is crying. It's just annoying to watch people defend a negative characteristic and suggest we should either pretend it's not there or buy a different car if we don't like it. Both of those ideas are ignorant. I bought the car because it's a great platform. The torque dip is just one more thing to fix. Maybe the Camry forum or some other non-enthusiast forum would be more appropriate for these apologist perspectives, because it's comical from an enthusiast's perspective.



That's easy. Look at pretty much any BMW M engine ever for starters. What would be difficult is for you to show a modern sports car with a torque dip as severe as the FA20.

Ah so those that are not bothered by it are fanbois and not good enthusiasts. Got it.






Not one but two dips. Cool

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ah so those that are not bothered by it are fanbois and not good enthusiasts. Got it.

Yes, if you make apologies for a severe torque dip and tell others they bought the wrong car for complaining about it and fixing it I'd say you're a fanboi and not much of an enthusiast.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not one but two dips. Cool

Like I said, show me one "as severe"as the FA20. A dip from 229 ft-lb to 222 ft-lb is not as severe as a dip from 154 to 136. For one, the actual difference is less, and second, it's less impactful as a percentage of peak torque reduction. So the Cayman's torque dip is both less than the FA20, and less of an impact as a percentage of peak torque.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gtengr

Yes, if you make apologies for a severe torque dip and tell others they bought the wrong car for complaining about it and fixing it I'd say you're a fanboi and not much of an enthusiast.



Like I said, show me one "as severe"as the FA20. A dip from 229 ft-lb to 222 ft-lb is not as severe as a dip from 154 to 136. For one, the actual difference is less, and second, it's less impactful as a percentage of peak torque reduction. So the Cayman's torque dip is both less than the FA20, and less of an impact as a percentage of peak torque.

Apparently I missed the part where people said to not change it if you don't like it.


I am not into bench racing by graph so I will leave that up to the real enthusiasts to debate.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Apparently I missed the part where people said to not change it if you don't like it.

Telling someone to buy another car is pretty much the same thing.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I am not into bench racing by graph so I will leave that up to the real enthusiasts to debate.

Reading numbers on a graph from the manufacturer is basic analysis and interpretation, no bench racing involved.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gtengr

Pitch until you win.



It's basic analysis and interpretation, no bench racing involved.

Ya. Sure.