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Old 02-21-2021, 11:08 PM   #75545
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lol, i worked out of the bed of a truck for 4 years installing security cameras. one year, the boss almost installed that bed slider kit after seeing it at a trade show. at least until i showed him how we actually used the trucks. all the techs stacked boxes of security wire 2-high and 6-8 wide(depending on the brand of the cable and the box it was in) at the very front of the bed, leaving the rear section for components/small pieces.

those boxes all tipped over at the slightest gasp of fresh air on the sides of them(most came to us with the corners crushed in during shipping), so without much more than a tarp under a few of my boxes of wire, i showed him how simply the stack would tip over and jam up the works of the bed slider at every available opportunity.

but i can definitely see how it works good for bigger items.
Yep, for those bigger items, I leave it up to my son-in-law as to how he uses his truck to move what I need moved -
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Old 02-22-2021, 12:23 AM   #75546
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that's a hell of a lot of wellfare recipients.

nothing says "the future" like having to pay $100 for a cheeseburger because everyone has to have a masters degree to work the grill.
There will always be people working on the grill or similar jobs without a master, because many people are not capable to have high education. It is not related about opportunities, but on what each person is capable of doing. All I was saying is that in the past there were some people without an adequate education PRETENDING to be highly educated. There will not exist many opportunities for such people in the future.
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There will always be people working on the grill or similar jobs without a master, because many people are not capable to have high education. It is not related about opportunities, but on what each person is capable of doing. All I was saying is that in the past there were some people without an adequate education PRETENDING to be highly educated. There will not exist many opportunities for such people in the future.
It seems like you may be confusing education with intelligence and skill. While I understand it may be more prevalent in information security, most of the people I work with either have no degree or their degree isn't relevant to the job.

Again with a focus on IT, while a degree can be helpful when first starting off, much of what was learned in school will be outdated in five to ten years. Change that to months for information security. For anyone hiring in this field, ignoring skill and talent due to lack of education is a sure way to pay more for people who may not be as technically qualified to do the work.
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I think there are a lot of school aged kids that get over looked due to their lack of academic success and not steered towards vocational or trade schools, wish I would have been pushed into vocational school as opposed to being told I needed to go to college. I was board as hell in school and always did just enough to keep sports eligibility. Didn't even know about any other programs besides just slugging through 4 years or so of college.
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Old 02-22-2021, 04:25 PM   #75549
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It seems like you may be confusing education with intelligence and skill. While I understand it may be more prevalent in information security, most of the people I work with either have no degree or their degree isn't relevant to the job.

Again with a focus on IT, while a degree can be helpful when first starting off, much of what was learned in school will be outdated in five to ten years. Change that to months for information security. For anyone hiring in this field, ignoring skill and talent due to lack of education is a sure way to pay more for people who may not be as technically qualified to do the work.
This is highly debatable (and personally I feel strongly 50/50 about it myself).

While the technologies and tools may go out of date, that does not necessarily mean that the concepts/strategies will expire the same way.

I learned to problem solve in different types of ways that I wouldn't have without being in a CompSci program.

Of course that doesn't mean a persistent, highly goal-forward independent student outside of formal education could never learn the same thing.

But I'd hazard a guess that many students, both in typical university learning environments, and those going to hacker schools/self-learning/etc. have the same problems. Not everyone is goal-oriented enough regardless of where/how they study.

I knew plenty of students in my graduating class who never had internships and wound up needing to pivot to non-software engineering careers because they lacked the self-discipline to go above and beyond.

But I've also known of people who didn't go through a normal university program and yet while they know the latest technologies and tools just aren't as capable of problem-solving because they didn't have the same opportunities to learn techniques and strategies for breaking problems down, etc.

The best people I've known who "self-learned" either by doing everything independently or going to hack schools were those who basically did CS or similar programs, went off and did non-technical careers for years, and then needed to basically do hacker schools as a booster to get back up to speed.

I don't think we should ignore people if they didn't come through a university/traditional educational background, but we should really re-develop how we look for and hire them. (which is a huge, separate topic I won't even get into here other than... whiteboarding sucks and I hate it )
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This is highly debatable (and personally I feel strongly 50/50 about it myself).

While the technologies and tools may go out of date, that does not necessarily mean that the concepts/strategies will expire the same way.

I learned to problem solve in different types of ways that I wouldn't have without being in a CompSci program.

Of course that doesn't mean a persistent, highly goal-forward independent student outside of formal education could never learn the same thing.

But I'd hazard a guess that many students, both in typical university learning environments, and those going to hacker schools/self-learning/etc. have the same problems. Not everyone is goal-oriented enough regardless of where/how they study.

I knew plenty of students in my graduating class who never had internships and wound up needing to pivot to non-software engineering careers because they lacked the self-discipline to go above and beyond.

But I've also known of people who didn't go through a normal university program and yet while they know the latest technologies and tools just aren't as capable of problem-solving because they didn't have the same opportunities to learn techniques and strategies for breaking problems down, etc.

The best people I've known who "self-learned" either by doing everything independently or going to hack schools were those who basically did CS or similar programs, went off and did non-technical careers for years, and then needed to basically do hacker schools as a booster to get back up to speed.

I don't think we should ignore people if they didn't come through a university/traditional educational background, but we should really re-develop how we look for and hire them. (which is a huge, separate topic I won't even get into here other than... whiteboarding sucks and I hate it )
That's a good point. When I wrote what I said I purposely used "much" with exactly what you're saying in mind, but see how it was still too polarizing.
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Old 02-22-2021, 05:14 PM   #75551
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Baby shower gifts are coming a lot recently... but we still haven’t figured out baby’s name gonna be.

O’well lol
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Baby shower gifts are coming a lot recently... but we still haven’t figured out baby’s name gonna be.

O’well lol
Sounds like you need to do a poll
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The way I look at higher education is that it gives you (it should give you anyway) both basic knowledge and guided experience in some field. At the end of some program, you should understand the currently accepted causes, effects, history, and context of some concept, as well as how to employ all of that to achieve some measure of value. The guidance through this process and the confidence that what is being presented is true is what you pay for. Particularly in engineering, that guidance is sometimes what prevents you from killing yourself or someone else before you know any better.

It is certainly possible to do all those things without an accredited degree using the internet. But let's not forget that the internet will also tell you with great enthusiasm that the earth is flat, buying luxury CUEVs is the solution to all your problems, and that drinking chlorine will make you immune to the coronavirus.

It also gives employers a standard set of expected knowledge and experience that an entry-level applicant with an accredited degree has. The applicant might still be an idiot, but at least it narrows the field down to people with the technical qualifications.
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Sounds like you need to do a poll
Baby McBabyface.
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O’well lol
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Baby McBabyface.


Ah yes, then they could ignore the poll, name the kid whatever they wanted, and give him/her a doll to play with named Baby Mc Babyface in response to the inevitable outrage.
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Speaking of CompSci/IT/software engineering and how I’ve been trying to find a new team. Today I had my first scheduled one hour coding interview with a potential team at work and had a panic attack like five minutes in, so I had to tell the guy I couldn’t continue and needed to leave.

Pretty shitty.
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Speaking of CompSci/IT/software engineering and how I’ve been trying to find a new team. Today I had my first scheduled one hour coding interview with a potential team at work and had a panic attack like five minutes in, so I had to tell the guy I couldn’t continue and needed to leave.

Pretty shitty.
"Panic attack" during an interview?

How did that surface (what caused it)?

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