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07-12-2020, 05:12 PM | #15 | |
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There are many tires under the primacy line, maybe you guys got a different one? Is it the Primacy HP? Saying primacy is like saying pilot sport. Which one? Primacy 3 Primacy 3 ZP Primacy HP Primacy MXM4 Primacy MXM4 ZP Primacy MXV4 Primacy Tour A/S Primacy Tour A/S ZP Primacy A/S Primacy A/S Selfseal |
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Edit to add - when I test drove a manual Genesis G70 I would feel the rear rotating the car (not as much as in the BRZ, but it was definitely noticeable), and I think it wore PS4 (not S) tires. Not sure if we're talking about the same thing. The strange part is that buying these tires yourself is much more expensive than tires like PS4S or ECS - TireRack has the Primacys at about $250 while PS4S are for less than $200 and ECS for around $150. I'm sure Subaru and Toyota don't pay list price, but it's a pretty bizarre choice, nonetheless. Last edited by Ohio Enthusiast; 07-12-2020 at 05:22 PM. Reason: Adding PS4 impression on G70 |
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I haven't tried the PS4S on the BRZ yet, but on 2 other cars I had, once I switched to PS4S I consistently notice 4 things... 1. smaller road imperfections are soaked up better, 2. reduced road/tire noise and 3. immense grip in wet and hydroplane resistance, and 4. a slight reduction in turn-in sharpness/sidewall flexibility at the limits in some b-road and most track conditions (this is not a tire I like to run for an HPDE for this reason alone). I might try the PS4S on the BRZ after doing a trackday with the stock tires, and I'd expect the same 4 things to stand out to me...but since this is a weekend/track-day car for me, I will likely go for stickier tires, foregoing daily comforts; like Hankook R-S4 or Bridgestone 71-R. |
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That instantaneous sensation of yaw at normal speeds is what makes this car fun. Chris Harris explains that sensation very well in this video: |
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Yeah, I love that video - Chris does a great job at articulating the feeling of the car. |
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Yes, it would require more effort. But what you lose in low speed playfulness, you gain in overall confidence in handling. There are plenty of Max Performance summer tires that have more grip than the Primacy HP yet still preserve the playfulness of the car.
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Hmm, this sounds pretty contradictory - if you lose low speed playfulness because it requires more effort to rotate with the rear wheels due to stickier tires, how would a tire offer both more grip and still preserve that playfulness? I'm really trying to understand this, since this is my first RWD sports car.
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The playfulness isn’t gone, you just have to go 10 mph faster |
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@Ohio Enthusiast Don't sweat it. Just learn about weight transfer and get a lot of seat time to develop yourself as a driver and you'll find you can have fun one way or another with a wide range of different tires. |
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it's a learning car, and that's what makes it different. it offers the unique opportunity that it's initially set up to teach the driver specific techniques at very low speeds. and as you progress a a driver, simple modifications like better tires can be made that make the car better than it came, but improved you as a driver firstly, so you know and understand how to get even more out of each set of improvements.
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My summer tires are Michelin PS4. My winter tires are BFG comp 2 A/S. The grip in the summer is great and you need more speed to get the back out. The grip in the winter is pretty good, and you get that slide in the back, which is fun.
Personally, I think I could go year round on a decent A/S tire, without much complaint, because I just DD and spirited mountain runs. If you autox or track you need good summers or track tires and push that car to the limits. |
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