Would you prefer that the FRS had a "real" engine?

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by driftguy

Sometimes I wonder if people buy these cars and don't ever actually "drive" them.

I think people drive them and bitch and whine about them because they really want straight line power and have no idea what to do with a balanced sports car. These people should be driving Mustangs.

[ichitaka05]

First, some of you chill & thanks for some of you for keeping it calm.

Back on topic.
I'm pretty sure everyone have their preference on that engine they want. It could be I4 NA like 4AG or F20C, it could be big torque VQ37 or maybe want infinite power feel like 2J or RB. Not sure what's "real" engine or what's "fake" engine, cuz I'm not engineer... but it's all comes down to how "you" can use that every bit of power for your "need" from the engine. It doesn't matter what type of engine; rotary, boxer, V, Inline, or crazy jet engine, if you cannot use the full potential of that engine to maximize your driving, that engine is just a dead weight.

I'm trying to be fair. Maybe you like the V-engine tq curve or I6 turbo feel more than FA20 and I don't see any issue with that. There are countless reason to like this car/engine... at the same time, there are countless reason to hate this car/engine. If you don't feel like this car/engine, don't waste your time and money and find the car that you like to drive, instead of reading through some trollers/fan boys.

As for me, this car and engine is working just fine. Autox for 2 years and working perfectly. Have enough power to make me smile every time I drive it.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

These people should be driving Mustangs.

Be careful what you wish for... you might get a bunch of FRZzzzzs on your ass.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Be careful what you wish for... you might get a bunch of FRZzzzzs on your ass.

But...but...but...just watch that thing pull away in the straights. And it is practically an antique.

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by frsvr4

If you wanted an intelligent discussion, providing intelligent complaints may help.

Again, I'll help, you hate eggplant because of the way it tastes, its texture, or both. Now that we've got the neurons firing, what about the FA20 do you not like?

Sure:

Lets start with the most subjective bit: Don't like the looks with the hood open. Looks like someone tossed all their spare engine parts in a box.

Sounds like a constipated tractor at idle.

The underside exhaust design looks like a nightmare waiting to happen for anyone who lives in a salty winter environment. And it has no aesthetic appeal.

My understanding is that Subaru engines do not have a long life expectancy (from Subaru Mechanic of 10 years). I will let you know in 7 more. Fingers crossed.

This thing sits and "pinks" and "tinkles" with heat related noise every time you park it. I find that annoying.

There is that cricket thing, but that's not really the engine is it? But it annoys me.

Same with the torque dip, but that I have already mentioned as trivial. Just a thing.

As it gets a bit older, I have a feeling it is going to start blowing oil past the rings because of the cylinder layout.

I pretty much got my answer, you guys all like Subaru engines. Good, wont hold it against you. I did find it interesting that on a different forum the feeling was that it was a great car despite the engine.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

Sure:

Lets start with the most subjective bit: Don't like the looks with the hood open. Looks like someone tossed all their spare engine parts in a box. Looks like any modern engine compartment to me

Sounds like a constipated tractor at idle. Get a decent exhaust. Sounds great at idle with TRD

The underside exhaust design looks like a nightmare waiting to happen for anyone who lives in a salty winter environment. And it has no aesthetic appeal. Not engine

My understanding is that Subaru engines do not have a long life expectancy (from Subaru Mechanic of 10 years). I will let you know in 7 more. Fingers crossed. Remains to be proven

This thing sits and "pinks" and "tinkles" with heat related noise every time you park it. I find that annoying. Not engine and not uncommon with any new car

There is that cricket thing, but that's not really the engine is it? But it annoys me. Not engine

Same with the torque dip, but that I have already mentioned as trivial. Just a thing. Looks bad on paper but I don't even notice it in reality

As it gets a bit older, I have a feeling it is going to start blowing oil past the rings because of the cylinder layout. A guess?

I pretty much got my answer, you guys all like Subaru engines. Good, wont hold it against you. I did find it interesting that on a different forum the feeling was that it was a great car despite the engine.

Like I said earlier I could care less who makes an engine and as long as it works to my needs I am good with it.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Like I said earlier I could care less who makes an engine and as long as it works to my needs I am good with it.

Are you sure? You don't want this?


or this?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Are you sure? You don't want this?


or this?

Weekend toy, track machine or short run DD I would take them is a heartbeat. DD for 14 hours a week and 4,000 miles a month I will pass thanks.

[Teseo]

Price of VQ37 Swap please?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Weekend toy, track machine or short run DD I would take them is a heartbeat. DD for 14 hours a week and 4,000 miles a month I will pass thanks.

To keep it on-topic, two thing I wanna add to your fix comment:

There is that cricket thing, but that's not really the engine is it? But it annoys me. Not engine

Cricket thing is due with DI and even BMW and other famous brands have this cricket... cuz Toyota/Subaru DI isn't fancy as other brands and our car don't have sound deadening, so you can hear it loud and clear.

Same with the torque dip, but that I have already mentioned as trivial. Just a thing. Looks bad on paper but I don't even notice it in reality

Torque dip is boxer engine character. Even Porsche have torque dip. Due to 6 cylinder (instead of 4) they can hide it well, but fact is that dip is still there... but like you said, you barely notice it.

[jblmr2]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

Not sure where people think I am trolling, I asked a legitimate question and expected a considered answer. I am constantly amazed by people who try to interpret insult into anything they read on a Forum.

They think you're trolling because this subject has been discussed countless times before. We never seem to learn to the best way to deal with this subject is to ignore it.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Price of VQ37 Swap please?

Only $1/4M. If you wanna send me that check to me with your car, I got you covered LOL

btw that pic is VR38 from GTR... & it's photoshopped

EDIT:

Correction, someone already did the real deal VR38DETT swap

[NOHOME]

One of these engine compartments I be proud to show off. Don't care if its Photoshop or not.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

One of these engine compartments I be proud to show off.

Are you willing to spent over or near $80k?