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Old 04-20-2017, 09:20 PM   #1
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BRZ Brembos able to be purchased separate?

Hi, I'm looking into getting and 860 Special Edition because I want the goodies out of the Limited BRZ but with Toyota being my favorite brand I want the Toyota badge up front. My only concern is missing out on the Brembos that come with the performance package, is there a way to get these separate. I know I can piece together a BBK but I'd prefer to have the OEM engineering that made them for the car specifically.
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Hi, I'm looking into getting and 860 Special Edition because I want the goodies out of the Limited BRZ but with Toyota being my favorite brand I want the Toyota badge up front. My only concern is missing out on the Brembos that come with the performance package, is there a way to get these separate. I know I can piece together a BBK but I'd prefer to have the OEM engineering that made them for the car specifically.
Check with a Subaru dealer. Be prepared for a shock when they tell you the price though!
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You might as well spend a little extra and just get an Essex AP racing sprint kit...not as 'cool' as red caliper brembos (AP calipers are way cooler to me!), but better in that it drops unsprung weight by 10lbs a corner while providing more benefits in keeping a stock size rotor diameter but much wider 2-piece rotor with proper internal vanes for better thermal dissipation.

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The reason I want the oem brembos is because of the price at least in the performance package. While the aftermarket has better option I do not need race brakes. I guess I'm just looking for something that looks better than the stock 86 brakes and will preform a little better. The car will be seeing a lot of canyon time.
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Getting them outside of original purchase has been quoted as obscenely expensive. Check with your local subaru parts department.

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The reason I want the oem brembos is because of the price at least in the performance package. While the aftermarket has better option I do not need race brakes. I guess I'm just looking for something that looks better than the stock 86 brakes and will preform a little better. The car will be seeing a lot of canyon time.
Pads and fluid on the stock calipers should more than cover canyon driving and even occasional HPDE. Doesn't have the bling factor of the PP Brembos, but with how much they cost from Subaru (It's a lot!), you may as well get an AP Racing kit which will be better performing, have better cooling, and have better pad choice, all while still fulfilling the baller look.
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The reason I want the oem brembos is because of the price at least in the performance package. While the aftermarket has better option I do not need race brakes. I guess I'm just looking for something that looks better than the stock 86 brakes and will preform a little better. The car will be seeing a lot of canyon time.
AP Racing Sprint kit is one of the very few kits that DROP unsprung weight (and not an insignificant amount either), the Brembos ADD some unsprung weight over standard stock brakes. Unsprung weight will effect how the suspension reacts to cornering and the ride quality. The car will be more planted and stable through a corner or under hard braking as a result. Just changing unsprung weight by 5lbs via wheel & tire choice is a difference you can really feel, the AP Racing Sprint kit is an automatic 10lb per corner drop while significantly upgrading the brake system capability. A combined 15lb total drop is HUGE in how the car responds and reacts, and is also VERY beneficial for a daily driver. Rough roads will be smoother, the car won't be as upset by dips and bumps. Why just only get better brakes (Brembo) when you can also improve the cars handling and ride quality at the same time? Smart engineering and application in building a lightweight vehicle for performance or racing is to let a system perform as many functions as possible.

I realize the price is good if you can buy a car with the brembo option, but trying to get them as an add on is a $2k proposition. Just a little more money would get you one of the best brake systems designed for and rigourosly tested on the car which also has additional benefits you just can't get from the Brembo's. They are more optimized for the car than the Brembo's are. You won't be missing out not getting the Brembo's...but if you get the Brembo's you would be missing out on handling and ride benefits you could have had with an AP Racing Sprint setup in addition to an upgraded brake system. If the handling and ride improvements don't matter to you, then the Brembo's do make the most sense... but only if you buy the car with them installed as part of a package.
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Thanks for all the input, the AP kit seems like the way to go because I do prefer function over form. Do they offer a rear kit as well or only the front?
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I would go Stoptech. Probably the most street-oriented kit, especially if you experience winter/salt.
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It has already been said, but unless your primary reason for buying is the "bling", just get better pads and fluid on the stock calipers/rotors. It'll perform just as good, or better, than the PP brembos and cost you WAY less.
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Also to note: Are you positive 860SE wheels clear OEM BRZ Brembos?

And I completely disagree about stock brakes holding up to HPDE usage. If you're using your oem non-pp brakes at an HPDE, it won't take long to get brake fade. FWIW, that experience scared me enough that I'm replacing pads and fluid on my brembos before hitting the track.
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Hi, I'm looking into getting and 860 Special Edition because I want the goodies out of the Limited BRZ but with Toyota being my favorite brand I want the Toyota badge up front. My only concern is missing out on the Brembos that come with the performance package, is there a way to get these separate. I know I can piece together a BBK but I'd prefer to have the OEM engineering that made them for the car specifically.
A couple of other options that could address your request.

If you're looking for just a bit more bling and improved heat capacity, Stoptech's Sport Brake Upgrade kit, includes rotors, pads, stainless lines and pads for about $650 (available from many vendors.) Uses the stock Caliper which if you like you can paint with a G2 caliper paint kit that will last with street use for many years. http://www.g2usa.com/category/G2-Bra...per-Paint.html


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Pick one, there are tons
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Stopte...520B1D4DB8564A



If you really want/need a BBK...RR Racing offers Front & Rear BBKs in many configurations using Wilwood components. Different colors are available either Anodized or custom painted. Their front Sport kit is $795 and the rears (optional) are $959. More aggressive staged competition kits are also available. They generally look something like this:



Available on RR Racing's website and from a few other board vendors
http://www.rr-racing.com/category-s/130.htm

Their ft86club thread is here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90379



So yeah, pricing is MUCH better than either the Subaru Brembo OEM stuff, Essex's Sprint kit (using AP racing component's) or Stillen's kit (that uses even nicer AP racing radi-cal components.) **Many of these kits are meant for different purposes so this short summary is not intended to be an apples to apples comparison.

A fairly large number of board members run their kits tend to be satisfied with RR's stuff from what I've read. Also RR Racing doesn't underhandedly trash talk other vendors like we've seen all too often on the board which is appealing to me.

In any case there are a couple more nicely priced options. Also companies like Brembo & Alcon offer what are reported to be excellent BBKs for this car directly, but tend to be on the higher end.


Brembo GT
http://www.brz-parts.com/1p1-8002a1.html#



Alcon
http://www.jdl-brakes.com/alcon-adv-...ubaru-brz.html
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A lot of people are of the wrong impression regarding the cost of the PP Brembos when they see the PP only costs an extra ~$1200 over the BRZ limited model. A lot of that cost is subsidised by the savings the factory gets from your standard equipment. When those are gone, suddenly your $1200 upgrade now looks more like $4000.
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