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Old 07-20-2012, 08:16 PM   #211
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AWD turbo would have my interest
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:51 PM   #212
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looks like you are going to have to wait until 2002 when subaru is supposed to bring the wrx to america
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:54 PM   #213
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I highly doubt Nissan will bring the Silvia back because like somebody else said, it will cannibalize the sales of the Z.

If anything, I think Renault is probably behind this malarkey.

Nissan doesn't have to make anymore sporty cars, they have 3 of them. Toyota definitely needs to step their game up and bring back the MR2.
Think again, they have more than 3.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:29 PM   #214
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This confirms there will be no other small light weight non-luxury RWD cars coming out of Japan for a very long time.

I really think the BRZ/FR-s is a swan song for the average income Japanese RWD sports car.

No Auto manufactuer can justify the capital to develop a new chassis in RWD for this price segment when the fuel economy takes an automatic 10-15% hit over FWD.

Maybe Mazda can somehow make a coupe out of the Miata chassis, and bring out an new RX-7 (hopefully with a little turbo 4 cylinder). Thats really the only hope. Nissan is out of the game. Honda doesn't car about anything but green vehicle developent. I think the Toyota-German thing will be high priced.

Korea may surprise us, they make their own steel. If the FR-S cuts big into the genesis sales then thats the only real hope. They may be smart enough to see that a FWD car turned 180 degreed (MR) can have good fuel economy. But the lack of sales with a 2 seater is always a problem, even if it isn't a convertable.

The FRS/BRZ is going to be the only choice for us, lets hope they manuafacture enough of them that prices come down a little (at least to MSRP!) and parts availability won't be an issue in 10 years.
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:45 AM   #215
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This confirms there will be no other small light weight non-luxury RWD cars coming out of Japan for a very long time.

I really think the BRZ/FR-s is a swan song for the average income Japanese RWD sports car.

No Auto manufactuer can justify the capital to develop a new chassis in RWD for this price segment when the fuel economy takes an automatic 10-15% hit over FWD.

Maybe Mazda can somehow make a coupe out of the Miata chassis, and bring out an new RX-7 (hopefully with a little turbo 4 cylinder). Thats really the only hope. Nissan is out of the game. Honda doesn't car about anything but green vehicle developent. I think the Toyota-German thing will be high priced.

Korea may surprise us, they make their own steel. If the FR-S cuts big into the genesis sales then thats the only real hope. They may be smart enough to see that a FWD car turned 180 degreed (MR) can have good fuel economy. But the lack of sales with a 2 seater is always a problem, even if it isn't a convertable.

The FRS/BRZ is going to be the only choice for us, lets hope they manuafacture enough of them that prices come down a little (at least to MSRP!) and parts availability won't be an issue in 10 years.
You clearly don't understand the rx7 or the miata
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:49 AM   #216
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Maybe Mazda can somehow make a coupe out of the Miata chassis, and bring out an new RX-7 (hopefully with a little turbo 4 cylinder).
Uhhhhhh, no. The RX series has always been rotary powered. Unfortunately, the last conventionally rotary powered car has probably been made with the RX-8. That's not to say some form of rotary may pop up. I know there's talk about using it as a range extender in electric vehicles.

That's not to say that they couldn't make a car to fill the RX-7/RX-8 void with a turbo 4, it just shouldn't be able to be called an RX car. They couldn't even use the Cosmo nameplate as that has always been rotary powered. The only thing I can think of is using the current naming scheme for the cars and calling it an MX-7. You have the M of the MX-5/Miata and the "X-7" of the RX-7 to go by as well. The only issue would be an actual name like the Miata has/had.
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:33 AM   #217
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looks like you are going to have to wait until 2002 when subaru is supposed to bring the wrx to america
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A lighter generation Z sports car is not the only priority in Nissanís future. Inspired by the huge success of their GT-R, the company has decided to bring out a small sports car which will take on models like the newly released Subaru BRZ.

Internally known as the Mini-Z, the new sports car wonít be offered with a rear-wheel-drive system like the Silvia/240SX - that project was cancelled in late 2008 because of the financial crisis. Instead Nissan will use a front-wheel-drive system combined with 1.6-liter turbo-four from the Nissan Juke with power raised to about 200 HP.

To get an idea of what the future small sports car will look like, take a look at the Compact Sports Concept (pictured) unveiled last year at the Shanghai Motor Show. These design elements will be combined with elements taken from the Z sports car to more or less make up the new carís dimensions.

The new Nissan sports car will arrive in late 2013 and will be priced at about $22K.


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...-ar132554.html

This is lame and hardly a competitor to the FT-86 if it is fwd. Nissan needs to do something like this....



a new silvia 240/ datsun 240 that draws inspiration from the old 240Z.
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Same Horsepower and FWD? Dude's at motortrend are smoking some expensive s*** if they think that's a competitor in anything but price. A GTI competitor sure, def not a competitor for the twins.
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If Nissan released something like the retro styled car I posted above with a 250hp turbo 4 and sold it at 25K... it would be on. I guarantee that you'd see Toyota and Subaru come to market with a turbo FT-86 with a quickness.
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Uhhhhhh, no. The RX series has always been rotary powered. Unfortunately, the last conventionally rotary powered car has probably been made with the RX-8. That's not to say some form of rotary may pop up. I know there's talk about using it as a range extender in electric vehicles.

That's not to say that they couldn't make a car to fill the RX-7/RX-8 void with a turbo 4, it just shouldn't be able to be called an RX car. They couldn't even use the Cosmo nameplate as that has always been rotary powered. The only thing I can think of is using the current naming scheme for the cars and calling it an MX-7. You have the M of the MX-5/Miata and the "X-7" of the RX-7 to go by as well. The only issue would be an actual name like the Miata has/had.
If they do anything (and they don't really need to) they might as well produce the Kabura and call it the MX-3.
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The new Nissan sports car will arrive in late 2013 and will be priced at about $22K.


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...-ar132554.html
Looks kind of like the Cygnet to me lol

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Same Horsepower and FWD? Dude's at motortrend are smoking some expensive s*** if they think that's a competitor in anything but price. A GTI competitor sure, def not a competitor for the twins.
thte car doesnt even exist yet. how can you say its not a competitor? the itr was fwd and had less hp but i would say that if it was new it would be a competitor
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If Nissan released something like the retro styled car I posted above with a 250hp turbo 4 and sold it at 25K... it would be on. I guarantee that you'd see Toyota and Subaru come to market with a turbo FT-86 with a quickness.
what makes you think that? the only precedent i can think of is the miata and while there were many attempts to upstage the little guy, it has remained basically the same. when they tried to come out with a turbo version, it sold poorly
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thte car doesnt even exist yet. how can you say its not a competitor? the itr was fwd and had less hp but i would say that if it was new it would be a competitor


what makes you think that? the only precedent i can think of is the miata and while there were many attempts to upstage the little guy, it has remained basically the same. when they tried to come out with a turbo version, it sold poorly
What makes me think that?? The STi/Evo battle... Both cars were sought after by the US market for a long time before they were brought here. Subaru announced that the WRX was coming to America in 1999 and it would have 227 hp, within a year Mitsubishi announced the EVO VIII was coming to america and said it would have 275HP or so. WHY? because they were nearly direct competitors. Mitsubishi knew that if Subaru was selling cars, they were giving up business because they had a car that was such a close competitor... they upped the ante a little and boom. Shortly there after, Subaru announced they were bringing the STi to America and it would have more power than the EVO.

You are right, several companies tried to bring a small convertible to market and none of them competed properly with the MX-5, but I think that is a very niche market... the number of people that want a 2 seat convertible is small... much smaller than the number that would want a 2+2 coupe. One could even say that the FT-86 twins are already scavenging sales from the Genesis coupe market... I think Hyundai thinks so too... which is why the new Genesis coupe 2.0T was bumped to 270 hp.
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