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[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by BlOody_BoOger

Any one got a clue why I'm making such lil power???
I'm in e85 openflash phantom original tune.
Ft86 UEL headers
Grams throttle body
AEM e85 fuel pump
Aftermarket over pipe
Catless front pipe
And full catback exhaust.
I thought atleast I would be making
225whp/210tq
The phantom is pushing a good 4.5 psi at Max sometimes even 4.7 so I'm confused.


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Lots of reasons.

1. Every dyno reads different, one car can go dyno 145whp on one dyno then 170whp on another with zero changes otherwise. So don’t compare your dyno to someone else unless its the exact same physical dyno not even just dyno type. Should only look ar and compare your baseline before and after % increase compared to someone else baseline before and after % increase.

2. Whats more important making 400whp on a dyno but taking 11sec 60-130 or 350whp on a dyno but take 10sec 60-130. Ultimately what matters is actual performance.

3. It looks like you did a pull in 2nd then 3rd? You should be doing it in 1-1 gear 5th mt 4 at. And then using the correct correction factors.

4. ESC doesn’t make high peak WHP it does however make decent low end torque. Which by your graph you are making really good torque downlow. But you probably make 1psi at 7k rpm which would only add about maybe 8whp. So peak whp isn’t the greatest compared to full bolt ons.

5. Openflash’s dyno has the highest baseline reading dyno i have ever seen. Makes the after dyno look really good if not compared to baseline. I believe they baseline at 176+whp. So don’t compare to them unless looking at % increase, and even then i believe its a custom dyno tune, and posted by the company that makes the esc kit so marketing gimmicks involved most likely. Edit: looks like that cars baseline was 171whp to 217whp. About 27% increase.

6. I think for an OFS tune you’re probably doing just fine.

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

3. It looks like you did a pull in 2nd then 3rd? You should be doing it in 1-1 gear 5th mt 4 at. And then using the correct correction factors.

Those gears are probably too fast for most on the road though..... the data points look like it's Virtual Dyno.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

Those gears are probably too fast for most on the road though..... the data points look like it's Virtual Dyno.

It looks like a real dynojet dyno?

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

It looks like a real dynojet dyno?

Look in the top left ("Generated by Virtual Dyno")

Plus the layout of the screen and the data points are representative of what I'd expect of a 3rd gear pull

VD is very sensitive to all the data being correct and, as per a normal dyno, only good for comparisons if you make all things equal; the road, weight, settings, gear, temps etc.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

Look in the top left ("Generated by Virtual Dyno")

Plus the layout of the screen and the data points are representative of what I'd expect of a 3rd gear pull

VD is very sensitive to all the data being correct and, as per a normal dyno, only good for comparisons if you make all things equal; the road, weight, settings, gear, temps etc.

Interesting, maybe it is. But he hasn’t chimed back in. Not sure why anyone would take a virtual dyno seriously, at least not as an accurate representation of real numbers. Maybe as an easy way of self testing your own gains from mod to mod assuming you have all settings, conditions, road, etc.. the exact same. But definitely not comparing to someone else’s real dyno. That’s why I automatically assumed it was real. But maybe your right.

[BlOody_BoOger]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Interesting, maybe it is. But he hasn’t chimed back in. Not sure why anyone would take a virtual dyno seriously, at least not as an accurate representation of real numbers. Maybe as an easy way of self testing your own gains from mod to mod assuming you have all settings, conditions, road, etc.. the exact same. But definitely not comparing to someone else’s real dyno. That’s why I automatically assumed it was real. But maybe your right.

I was gone for a lil while oops, it is a virtual Dyno only reason why I assume it to be accurate is because a buddy of mine who did the virtual Dyno, actually had his car on a Dyno and the numbers where roughly +3-3 from his virtual Dyno runs. So taking that into consideration I assume if I was to get on a Dyno I would still se similar numbers. But I guess untill I do it there's no real telling. I wonder if having larger heavier wheels can be the culprit. I put in about 5lbs per wheel when I got rid of my stock wheels.

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[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by BlOody_BoOger

I was gone for a lil while oops, it is a virtual Dyno only reason why I assume it to be accurate is because a buddy of mine who did the virtual Dyno, actually had his car on a Dyno and the numbers where roughly +3-3 from his virtual Dyno runs. So taking that into consideration I assume if I was to get on a Dyno I would still se similar numbers. But I guess untill I do it there's no real telling. I wonder if having larger heavier wheels can be the culprit. I put in about 5lbs per wheel when I got rid of my stock wheels.

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Unless your car is slower than it should be. I wouldn’t worry.

His virtual dyno may have had more accurate parameters entered in then you did and also just so happen to use a dyno that produced a similar number. As he could use a different dyno and still read + or - 10% in comparison.

[BlOody_BoOger]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Unless your car is slower than it should be. I wouldn’t worry.



His virtual dyno may have had more accurate parameters entered in then you did and also just so happen to use a dyno that produced a similar number. As he could use a different dyno and still read + or - 10% in comparison.

Ummm disregard my last message initial message lol. So I brought up the wheels to my buddy and he thought I was on stock wheels and tires. So after changing the parameters to 245/40/18 and adding 5lbs of rotational inertia per wheel. These are the new numbers.

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[mrjj]

Originally Posted by BlOody_BoOger

Ummm disregard my last message initial message lol. So I brought up the wheels to my buddy and he thought I was on stock wheels and tires. So after changing the parameters to 245/40/18 and adding 5lbs of rotational inertia per wheel. These are the new numbers.

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Would you mind telling us exactly what patsmeters you are using in Virtual Dyno?

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by BlOody_BoOger

Ummm disregard my last message initial message lol. So I brought up the wheels to my buddy and he thought I was on stock wheels and tires. So after changing the parameters to 245/40/18 and adding 5lbs of rotational inertia per wheel. These are the new numbers.

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your 1st one looked more accurate Phantom ESCs don't make more then about 210whp unless on a hero dyno.

Full bolt ons E85 is hitting 200whp, ESC makes about 1.5psi at peak WHP. that would be roughly 210whp. ESCs do make a lot of torque though as down low at peak torque they are making about 4psi. 210whp/190ftlbs is what i would expect with full bolt ons e85 and ESC.

But either way at end of the day its all just an arbitrary number especially without a baseline to compare and what matters is real world performance numbers.

To attempt to make a virtual dyno as accurate as possible it is vital you put in 100% accurate information. you would need to weigh your vehicle, get the exact drag coefficient, gear ratio, tire diameter etc...
Then find as long and flat of a road as possible and in the highest gear you can do on that road, do a run in both directions trying to start and stop at the same points, to account for any wind as well as any slight slope, even a 2% grade will be hard to tell from inside the car but make acceleration a good bit faster. Doing it in both directions you can average the two runs so the real world road conditions aren't a factor.

[BlOody_BoOger]

Originally Posted by mrjj

Would you mind telling us exactly what patsmeters you are using in Virtual Dyno?

When it comes to what he inputs it asks for it all on the vdyno but its
Weight of driver
Weight of car
Tire diameter
Air tempature
Third gear pull

The data log was done using OFT and on there I have

Engine speed
Engine load
Throttle position
Maf
Oil temps
Stft
Ltft
Adv multi
Afr
Boost
Timing
And I can't remember what else right now.






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[BlOody_BoOger]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

your 1st one looked more accurate Phantom ESCs don't make more then about 210whp unless on a hero dyno.

Full bolt ons E85 is hitting 200whp, ESC makes about 1.5psi at peak WHP. that would be roughly 210whp. ESCs do make a lot of torque though as down low at peak torque they are making about 4psi. 210whp/190ftlbs is what i would expect with full bolt ons e85 and ESC.

But either way at end of the day its all just an arbitrary number especially without a baseline to compare and what matters is real world performance numbers.

To attempt to make a virtual dyno as accurate as possible it is vital you put in 100% accurate information. you would need to weigh your vehicle, get the exact drag coefficient, gear ratio, tire diameter etc...
Then find as long and flat of a road as possible and in the highest gear you can do on that road, do a run in both directions trying to start and stop at the same points, to account for any wind as well as any slight slope, even a 2% grade will be hard to tell from inside the car but make acceleration a good bit faster. Doing it in both directions you can average the two runs so the real world road conditions aren't a factor.

Here's a quick video with my with a couple of friends in Mexico. This is just for comparison

The wrx mods
-Custom Dyno tune
-23psi
-Catless Downpipe
-Boomba racing Bov
-285whp/315tq

Focus ST mods
-Depo racing Intercooler
-Woosh Intake
-Woosh hybrid Turbo
-25psi
-Thermal catback
-Dizzy e30 Tune
-261whp/282wtq

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[zc06_kisstherain]

Originally Posted by BlOody_BoOger

Here's a quick video with my with a couple of friends in Mexico. This is just for comparison

The wrx mods
-Custom Dyno tune
-23psi
-Catless Downpipe
-Boomba racing Bov
-285whp/315tq

Focus ST mods
-Depo racing Intercooler
-Woosh Intake
-Woosh hybrid Turbo
-25psi
-Thermal catback
-Dizzy e30 Tune
-261whp/282wtq

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Nice vid. need more empty space to full Throttle
i still love my ESC

[SHWNBRZ]

That looks like a fiesta st. ��