FRS vs Camaro Handling

[brzaapi]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Miss the smaller size of your BRZ or s2k?

This, I am curious. I had a '13 1LE. It was great, but I still preferred the feel of my S2000 and BRZs. I love the idea of the new 1LE, and I have driven a new SS spiritedly, but I haven't had the pleasure of driving a new 1LE.

Still, as impressive as the Camaro is in the corners for its size, 2800lbs still feels much better and is more fun (to me) than 3500+lbs.

Maybe in a few years I can get a used 1LE and strip it. But the Camaro still feels damn big, even if it is made lighter. Plus on my local 1.8 mile track, a lot of the HP is not as useable.

[Denver1LE]

Originally Posted by brzaapi

This, I am curious. I had a '13 1LE. It was great, but I still preferred the feel of my S2000 and BRZs. I love the idea of the new 1LE, and I have driven a new SS spiritedly, but I haven't had the pleasure of driving a new 1LE.

Still, as impressive as the Camaro is in the corners for its size, 2800lbs still feels much better and is more fun (to me) than 3500+lbs.

Maybe in a few years I can get a used 1LE and strip it. But the Camaro still feels damn big, even if it is made lighter. Plus on my local 1.8 mile track, a lot of the HP is not as useable.

The new 1LE has specific suspension tune, Electronic limited slip differential, engine oil, differential and trans cooler, much wider tires and 3.73 gears. It is quite a bit different than the standard SS, and handles like it's on rails. Is it heavy, yeah, but its bigger w/ more power and you can't have eaten your cake and still have it in front of you , unless you have a couple 100 grand to spend.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Denver1LE

Is it heavy, yeah, but its bigger w/ more power and you can't have eaten your cake and still have it in front of you , unless you have a couple 100 grand to spend.

Nah, the magic cake only costs about $80k.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/ND.php

[Deep Six]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Nah, the magic cake only costs about $80k.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/ND.php

For 80K I would absolutely be dropping off a base trim C7 Grand Sport at Vengeance for heads/cam/tune.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Nah, the magic cake only costs about $80k.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/ND.php

No magnets, tho.

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Nah, the magic cake only costs about $80k.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/ND.php

Too twitchy from the short wheelbase, ugly appearance, and definitely way too expensive. Give me an LS swapped twin or 240, or just a regular corvette any day.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

I was actually thinking of picking up a 1LE as a daily and occasional track car (and converting the FR-S to dedicated track car), but your comments are making me rethink whether I would even need to keep the FR-S. Not sure if you have other cars, but how would you feel about using your 1LE as both daily driver and weekend track car? Other than the higher cost of consumables, does the weight bother you on track? Miss the smaller size of your BRZ or s2k?

After I built the BRZ, I returned it to stock and traded in for an SUV. I decided go with an S2000. I've noticed that my Supercharged BRZ was only marginally faster than a bolt on S2000 on our local tracks (big straightaway at Ridge). I could barely pass the S2000 on the straightaway with my 268whp Rotrex BRZ and guess what? my friend who had a Rotrex Miata told me the same exact thing. I've found it unacceptable after all the money and effort that I put in on my BRZ. I wanted to try building an S2000 this time since Honda was making a healthier HP vs our FI cars on track environment. On the paper Rotrex BRZ or Miata, should've been a lot faster but they were not.

After I built the S2000, I was planning to keep it with the 1LE then I figured that I won't be driving the S2000 as much after I get the 1LE. I figured that I wouldn't be driving the (I don't want to say "lesser" let's say) slower car that much. I have too many cars in the household (with the SUV and the electric car). 1LE is definitely a lot better road car since both my S2000 and BRZ were loud after the mods, as I was trying to squeeze the last HP out of them reliably. With the 1LE I have no such concern about the power and the grip is insane for something that only costs $45k . I had a couple little issues with the 1LE but other than that it was blast to drive.

I really like lighter cars also Miata, BRZ , S2000s are all special cars but wish they had some more power. If the BRZ had an S2000 engine it would be the best of both worlds but that car doesn't exist :/
They also require good amount of modifications to run safely at track.

My Stock Camaro SS 1LE put 419whp/413 wtq on dynojet and I asked Bob from Drift office to put it against my Rotrex BRZ. You can literally fit a Stage 2 Evo in that gap

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by brzaapi

This, I am curious. I had a '13 1LE. It was great, but I still preferred the feel of my S2000 and BRZs. I love the idea of the new 1LE, and I have driven a new SS spiritedly, but I haven't had the pleasure of driving a new 1LE.

Still, as impressive as the Camaro is in the corners for its size, 2800lbs still feels much better and is more fun (to me) than 3500+lbs.

Maybe in a few years I can get a used 1LE and strip it. But the Camaro still feels damn big, even if it is made lighter. Plus on my local 1.8 mile track, a lot of the HP is not as useable.

I test drove my friend's '14 1LE but the new 1LE is definitely felt a lot better and smaller than the previous car so it's really apples to avocados. Keep in mind the new 1LE surpasses the previous gen Z28 that comes with carbon ceramics, Multimatic DSSVs, 19" forged wheels and R comp tires. Add those options to the 1LE and the delta would be even bigger.

ORP is also very twisty with a lot of elevation changes where I would expect to see some disadvantage of a heavier car but it didn't feel like it I was definitely in your shoes until very recently but it changed my mind. I believe after a few more events I will get more confidence and the gap will be even higher. The steering feel and the new shifter and the e-diff is simply amazing, it's very easy to rotate and can put the power way easier than my C6 Grandsport. Unlike the GS, it's easier to catch a slide. I hope that helps.

[Packofcrows]

Only other good handling is miata newest one, rx7 2nd gen and some pricey Porsche for me.

I drove 2016 Cam. Feels bulky and like a school bus with tons of hp. Not my cup of tea.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by glamcem

I had a couple little issues with the 1LE but other than that it was blast to drive.

What issues did you have?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

No magnets, tho.

Magnets are a fad.

When can we get hyped about inerters?

Originally Posted by Deep Six

For 80K I would absolutely be dropping off a base trim C7 Grand Sport at Vengeance for heads/cam/tune.

Might vs. light

Originally Posted by Yardjass

Too twitchy from the short wheelbase, ugly appearance, and definitely way too expensive. Give me an LS swapped twin or 240, or just a regular corvette any day.

Well excuse me then.

[Denver1LE]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Nah, the magic cake only costs about $80k.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/ND.php

How to make the ultimate Miata, use Camaro parts

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Denver1LE

How to make the ultimate Miata, use Camaro parts

Well it's a >50 year old recipe.

Stating the obvious, but Chevy learned their lesson when they missed the boat the first time and now lets anybody use their powertrains which are awesome in terms of power density when you want 400+ hp.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Magnets are a fad.

When can we get hyped about inerters?

Right about now. Just googled.