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Old 10-07-2021, 07:39 AM   #211
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Imagine someone who has no issue with money and has never owned an 86twin asks if they should go for the GR86 or BRZ/FRS/86, you'd be delusional not to recommend the GR86. Plain and simple.
If money was no issue, then I would suggest to buy something else and not an entry level "sports" car. There are still many nice options out there before everything goes to EV. If the user still wanted to own an 86twin and to have something more personal, then I would recommend to find a good condition BRZ/FRS/86 and make some serious modifications in a professional shop. The FA20 engine is well known and has been revised already twice to increase reliability. For the GR86 I would tell to wait a few years till all issues are resolved and more aftermarket parts are available.
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^^the number of spots in the driveway will be the issue. Maybe if I keep my 2nd car in the garage, don't reconcile with my wife and get a Smart car as my daily.

I can get the STI and the FR-S one in front of the other if one almost touches the garage door, they almost touch bumpers and the rear bumper is aligned with the sidewalk. Might be a challenge but at least the resale on my '18 STI with 25000 miles keeps going up.

I don't think stickshift will be relevant for my sons generation unless they have an affinity for old cars. My kid prefers basketball, video games and anime.
I have the biggest property on my street (50' x 110') on a corner. But the driveway faces the side.

Did I mention I live directly across from his high school? lol
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I originally was gonna go with a first gen 86 for my next car, as I wasn't a fan of the new styling at first. However, after watching more videos and studying countless photos of the GR86, the new styling REALLY grew on me, to the point where now I actually prefer the look of the second gens to the first gen. Funny how that works lol.

Not only that, but the performance and interior upgrades cannot be denied. As someone who has never owned any of the twins before, I thought that it made zero sense for me to buy a first gen at this point when you take into account not only how improved the second gens are inside and out, but also the 2017+ models are still selling for basically the MSRP price of the second gens. Why buy a used first gen with some miles on it when you can get a brand new second gen for essentially the same price?

All in all, really excited to hopefully get into a GR86 sometime next year!
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Old 10-07-2021, 03:46 PM   #214
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Why buy a used first gen with some miles on it when you can get a brand new second gen for essentially the same price
There have been a few cars over the years I would have bought the previous gen over the "newest" gen. A '69 Camaro over a '70, and a C7 over a C8 Corvette comes to immediate mind. although I will say the C8 has grown on me to the point where I would buy one, even though I still prefer the C7.

The 86 is the same way, but there are enough mechanical differences it makes it a tough choice. That's why I've elected to eventually move on rather than purchase either a new or "new to me" 86 somewhere down the line.
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Old 10-07-2021, 04:05 PM   #215
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There have been a few cars over the years I would have bought the previous gen over the "newest" gen. A '69 Camaro over a '70, and a C7 over a C8 Corvette comes to immediate mind. although I will say the C8 has grown on me to the point where I would buy one, even though I still prefer the C7.

The 86 is the same way, but there are enough mechanical differences it makes it a tough choice. That's why I've elected to eventually move on rather than purchase either a new or "new to me" 86 somewhere down the line.
Thats fair, I'd imagine the new ones might be a harder sell for people who have already owned and experienced the 86/FR-S for a while, especially if you're not a fan of how the new one looks. I'm coming from a 2005 F-150, so this is gonna be quite the change to say the least lol.
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Old 10-07-2021, 04:16 PM   #216
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Thats fair, I'd imagine the new ones might be a harder sell for people who have already owned and experienced the 86/FR-S for a while, especially if you're not a fan of how the new one looks. I'm coming from a 2005 F-150, so this is gonna be quite the change to say the least lol.
Hah, yea, while I've always kept a "sportier" car in the family for weekends my last two daily drivers were Chevy Astros ('89 and '01) so I can appreciate that one.
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Old 10-07-2021, 04:18 PM   #217
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I like the look of the gen 1 better. However, I also think they knocked it out of the park with the Gen 2 Likely own one of each in the years to come. Gen 1 for street and Gen 2 for track. One AT and one MT.

Keeping it affordable is something I think people may be understating.
See this is one of those things, because I'm turning into more of miser in my old age (39), a $30k car doesn't really seem affordable to me.

I know there are plenty here who make more, I'll just leave it at, I haven't gotten any stimulus checks.

For the sake of math, if you don't put anything down, a $31k car, is nearly a $600/month car payment (if you have to finance longer than 5 years for an affordable payment, you can't afford it). And that doesn't include the thousands in sales tax/registration, then add in monthly insurance costs.


I know if you account for inflation cars are cheaper than they have ever been. Is it just that so many American's are OK with being in so much debt that a small hiccup can ruin them?
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Old 10-07-2021, 04:19 PM   #218
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There have been a few cars over the years I would have bought the previous gen over the "newest" gen. A '69 Camaro over a '70, and a C7 over a C8 Corvette comes to immediate mind. although I will say the C8 has grown on me to the point where I would buy one, even though I still prefer the C7.

The 86 is the same way, but there are enough mechanical differences it makes it a tough choice. That's why I've elected to eventually move on rather than purchase either a new or "new to me" 86 somewhere down the line.
A neighbor got a C6 ZR1, for me the clean design on that surpasses anything from C7 (too much things going on, not at an CTR atrocity level) and C8 (looks like diffent teams designed and never talked to each other until after the launch) generations on aesthetics.
I would buy still buy the C8.
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I originally was gonna go with a first gen 86 for my next car, as I wasn't a fan of the new styling at first. However, after watching more videos and studying countless photos of the GR86, the new styling REALLY grew on me, to the point where now I actually prefer the look of the second gens to the first gen. Funny how that works lol.

Not only that, but the performance and interior upgrades cannot be denied. As someone who has never owned any of the twins before, I thought that it made zero sense for me to buy a first gen at this point when you take into account not only how improved the second gens are inside and out, but also the 2017+ models are still selling for basically the MSRP price of the second gens. Why buy a used first gen with some miles on it when you can get a brand new second gen for essentially the same price?

All in all, really excited to hopefully get into a GR86 sometime next year!
Welcome do Subaru, where you don’t like the design, but get used to.

When I saw Gen1 first time in the street (IIRC was in Shanghai), I thought that was a ugly rice car. Then, after a while, it became better to a point that I got mine (when I was about to get mine, I would still think it wasn’t beautiful, but the driving would surpass that)

Gen2, I don’t think it is something good for the eyes either, but the mechanical updates where enough for me to upgrade (this and the crazy market/inflation that made my 18 to the same price as the new base)
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See this is one of those things, because I'm turning into more of miser in my old age (39), a $30k car doesn't really seem affordable to me.

I know there are plenty here who make more, I'll just leave it at, I haven't gotten any stimulus checks.

For the sake of math, if you don't put anything down, a $31k car, is nearly a $600/month car payment (if you have to finance longer than 5 years for an affordable payment, you can't afford it). And that doesn't include the thousands in sales tax/registration, then add in monthly insurance costs.


I know if you account for inflation cars are cheaper than they have ever been. Is it just that so many American's are OK with being in so much debt that a small hiccup can ruin them?

I hear you. I'm a lot older than you and have saved a few pennies along the way. If I look at four years out and buy a 2022 in 2025/6 I would estimate the car to be worth about 18-20K at that time. I can handle that. My current 2015 will be worthless (to others) but will still have under 100km on the odometer. I'll think that'll suit me just fine. Time will tell. There's also the possibility something else will catch my eye or I stop tracking my current car. You can't tell the future.
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Welcome do Subaru, where you don’t like the design, but get used to.

When I saw Gen1 first time in the street (IIRC was in Shanghai), I thought that was a ugly rice car. Then, after a while, it became better to a point that I got mine (when I was about to get mine, I would still think it wasn’t beautiful, but the driving would surpass that)

Gen2, I don’t think it is something good for the eyes either, but the mechanical updates where enough for me to upgrade (this and the crazy market/inflation that made my 18 to the same price as the new base)
Haha yeah for sure, seems that way with the Subies. I imagine the same thing is gonna happen with the new WRX in a year or two. In the same vein, I can't tell you how I went from not being a fan of the GR86, to really liking it in a short span of time, just sorta happened. I still do think the tail lights on both new cars could be a bit better though, gives me Civic vibes.

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I hear you. I'm a lot older than you and have saved a few pennies along the way. If I look at four years out and buy a 2022 in 2025/6 I would estimate the car to be worth about 18-20K at that time. I can handle that. My current 2015 will be worthless (to others) but will still have under 100km on the odometer. I'll think that'll suit me just fine. Time will tell. There's also the possibility something else will catch my eye or I stop tracking my current car. You can't tell the future.
My rational side says that, but I spent the day researching the Supercharged V6 Jaguar F-Type with the 6 spd manual. Only 8 for sale in the entire country according to Autotrader.

It's getting tough to decide what to buy. I think we are looking at the horizon of ICE vehicles with the push for hybrid/EV vehicles.
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See this is one of those things, because I'm turning into more of miser in my old age (39), a $30k car doesn't really seem affordable to me.

I know there are plenty here who make more, I'll just leave it at, I haven't gotten any stimulus checks.

For the sake of math, if you don't put anything down, a $31k car, is nearly a $600/month car payment (if you have to finance longer than 5 years for an affordable payment, you can't afford it). And that doesn't include the thousands in sales tax/registration, then add in monthly insurance costs.


I know if you account for inflation cars are cheaper than they have ever been. Is it just that so many American's are OK with being in so much debt that a small hiccup can ruin them?
The affordable car can't actually be affordable because it drops to the bottom barrel subcompact econobox level which is considered way too small, way too cheap, way to "cute" and not "rugged" in anyway, way too pedestrian and/or (and this is THE absolute most important thing) its super slow and unsafe to drive on the freeway.
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See this is one of those things, because I'm turning into more of miser in my old age (39), a $30k car doesn't really seem affordable to me.

I know there are plenty here who make more, I'll just leave it at, I haven't gotten any stimulus checks.

For the sake of math, if you don't put anything down, a $31k car, is nearly a $600/month car payment (if you have to finance longer than 5 years for an affordable payment, you can't afford it). And that doesn't include the thousands in sales tax/registration, then add in monthly insurance costs.


I know if you account for inflation cars are cheaper than they have ever been. Is it just that so many American's are OK with being in so much debt that a small hiccup can ruin them?
I don't think there has been a good sports car that was truly hanging at the bottom of the financial ladder of car offerings from any manufacturer. If its going to be $25k, there's going to be a LOT of compromises that your average market will refuse to pay for.
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