S2000 vs BRZ vs Miata vs Fiat 124

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The s2k has more power, more weight, with smaller brakes. Whatever "works" on the 86 needs to be more extreme on the s2k, to also work similarly well.

I wouldn't start anything short of a XP10 with the s2k. You'll need to bed his pads for him to get them silent, but once properly bedded, XP10 and XP12 will be completely silent on the s2k.

XP10 f/r or XP12 f/r.

Or, try the CSG CX1.

Yeah I suspected this might be the case. I think XP10 f/r sounds good (or maybe G-LOC R10 since he's concerned about cost).

I'll also look into the CX1. Just to confirm, do you mean the C1? I don't see a CX1 on the CSG page.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Haha yes I saw that. Btw not sure if you saw my ninja edit, but recommended pads for aggressive street/light track use? We faded his pads in the canyons and I'm going to try to bring him out to some future track events so looking for pads that will tolerate a novice level driver.

Personally I'm a fan of carbotech, but never tried their street-oriented pads. Also I don't trust my ft86 knowledge to translate over to the s2k platform.

XP8 front/rear worked great for my on my stock AP1 for street/track duty. No problems. Initial noise goes down after track usage.
I was primarily running Dunlop Z1 *spec tires (been a few years...)

[53Driver]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Yeah I suspected this might be the case. I think XP10 f/r sounds good (or maybe G-LOC R10 since he's concerned about cost).

I'll also look into the CX1. Just to confirm, do you mean the C1? I don't see a CX1 on the CSG page.

There's a lot of stuff that isn't on the CSG website that they actually carry. Trust me, I know from experience.

(Hint to CSG-Update your website so people don't miss out on many of the products you carry...there's been times I was about to order from somewhere else only to find out you either carry or can order what I was looking for!)

[53Driver]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Who said that Toyota is not building their own car? Check the 2021 Toyota GR Yaris.

Is Toyota bring that car to the NA market? Last time I checked, Toyota said NO.

And I didn't say all their sporty cars, I am aware of the GR Yaris, but Japanese manufacturers have always had a tendency to keep some of their best cars for the JDM market.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

Is Toyota bring that car to the NA market? Last time I checked, Toyota said NO.

And I didn't say all their sporty cars, I am aware of the GR Yaris, but Japanese manufacturers have always had a tendency to keep some of their best cars for the JDM market.

I thought that they would bring it, but let's wait to see. Too much uncertainty currently..

[53Driver]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I thought that they would bring it, but let's wait to see. Too much uncertainty currently..

It would be cool if they did, but even if they had said they were planning on it, this pandemic thing is upsetting the entire auto industry so yeah, we are entering uncharted waters here. Sad, I know a lot of people in this industry are going to be hurting because of it.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Yeah I suspected this might be the case. I think XP10 f/r sounds good (or maybe G-LOC R10 since he's concerned about cost).

I'll also look into the CX1. Just to confirm, do you mean the C1? I don't see a CX1 on the CSG page.

The new new.

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[CSG Mike]

I'd love to see a GR Yaris or a I30N here...

[ROFL it's Waffle]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

It would be cool if they did, but even if they had said they were planning on it, this pandemic thing is upsetting the entire auto industry so yeah, we are entering uncharted waters here. Sad, I know a lot of people in this industry are going to be hurting because of it.

I'm patiently waiting on exhaust components. They had no problem charging my card quickly That was April 2/20. I've been patiently impatient lol

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

Oh, and to clarify one of my earlier statements, I do see where I said "I dislike the FA20" but that wasn't what I meant to say (starting to sound like a politician). I was trying to say that it wasn't as exciting of an engine I had hoped for. And apparently Toyota agreed somewhat, because based off Ichitaka's comments, Subaru could have done a better job if they had listened to Toyota. Toyota does know a thing or two about building high quality engines. It's a shame they have relied so heavily on other companies of late to produce their sporty cars.

Honestly, the engine is probably the biggest letdown for me. I get WHY they did it.... but man, I would've loved to have something else in there, and I can't help but think what could have been.

[bigfatcat]

I have a 13' FRS and an AP2 S2000. FRS has UEL headers and stage 2 tune with wider wheels and Michelin super sport tires, S2000 is completely stock.

Driving them back to back, here are my personal feelings about the 2 cars:

Why I like FRS:
- For some reason FRS feels it has more torque(although the torque number on paper is similar between the 2 cars).
- Steering feedback feels better on FRS.
- FRS is more practical for daily.
- FRS feels more planted and has more grip(could be due to tires) and more confidence inspiring in corners.
- I like the way in FRS you feel you sit down lower and the driver is more "integrated" into the car, like the car wraps around you like a power armor from Fallout. It feels more purposeful during spirited driving on winding roads.
- cheaper so I feel safer modifying and tinkering with it

Why I like S2000:
- looks more exotic(to me). the low front fenders is unlike most cars on the road
- more visceral feeling in the upper revs.
- Engine is smoother and sounds more exotic.
- keeps you more alert and on edge.
- better interior and build quality
- my dream car in high school.
- Appreciates in value. FRS depreciates in value
- Gets way more looks and thumbs-up on the road. in FRS I only get waves from other FRS/86/BRZ drivers. With S2000 I get waves from even Semi trucks and minivans

They are both great cars. Though I find myself driving FRS 95% of the time.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by bigfatcat

I have a 13' FRS and an AP2 S2000. FRS has UEL headers and stage 2 tune with wider wheels and Michelin super sport tires, S2000 is completely stock.

Driving them back to back, here are my personal feelings about the 2 cars:

Why I like FRS:
- For some reason FRS feels it has more torque(although the torque number on paper is similar between the 2 cars).
- Steering feedback feels better on FRS.
- FRS is more practical for daily.
- FRS feels more planted and has more grip(could be due to tires) and more confidence inspiring in corners.
- I like the way in FRS you feel you sit down lower and the driver is more "integrated" into the car, like the car wraps around you like a power armor from Fallout. It feels more purposeful during spirited driving on winding roads.
- cheaper so I feel safer modifying and tinkering with it

Why I like S2000:
- looks more exotic(to me). the low front fenders is unlike most cars on the road
- more visceral feeling in the upper revs.
- Engine is smoother and sounds more exotic.
- keeps you more alert and on edge.
- better interior and build quality
- my dream car in high school.
- Appreciates in value. FRS depreciates in value
- Gets way more looks and thumbs-up on the road. in FRS I only get waves from other FRS/86/BRZ drivers. With S2000 I get waves from even Semi trucks and minivans

They are both great cars. Though I find myself driving FRS 95% of the time.

Spot on!

I think the S2000 engine is smoother, only because you have a UEL on the BRZ. Try deleting your airbox cover on the S2000; it will transform your driving experience.

[bigfatcat]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Spot on!

I think the S2000 engine is smoother, only because you have a UEL on the BRZ. Try deleting your airbox cover on the S2000; it will transform your driving experience.

I've tried this once. It does sound louder and tone changed a little bit(in a good way). But I read on some forums you get power loss and potentially higher heat, so I put it back on. Not sure if any issues running it long term.

On FRS I installed the UEL and Catback at the same time. It did seem less smooth than before but I attributed it adding catback amplifying any original roughness in the engine. At higher RPMs the rumble from exhaust drowns out the roughness so it doesn't bother me much

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by bigfatcat

I've tried this once. It does sound louder and tone changed a little bit(in a good way). But I read on some forums you get power loss and potentially higher heat, so I put it back on. Not sure if any issues running it long term.

On FRS I installed the UEL and Catback at the same time. It did seem less smooth than before but I attributed it adding catback amplifying any original roughness in the engine. At higher RPMs the rumble from exhaust drowns out the roughness so it doesn't bother me much

zero long term issues. If you're stopped at a light, you'll get a little more heat soak than usual, but no more than a K&N FPIK.