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Old 12-19-2020, 12:27 PM   #15
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Old 12-19-2020, 12:28 PM   #16
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Yup, exactly. Barely noticeable below 5k, especially compared to any other FI solution.
Get out! You were caught talking nonsense.
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Old 12-19-2020, 12:37 PM   #17
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Get out! You were caught talking nonsense.
You sound personally offended someone disagrees with your FI decision.

Below 5k it pretty much looks like every other FBO tune dyno. Nothing special. One of the worst looking plots below 5k out of any FI solution. Saying “stock” was a bit hyperbolic which I think any rational person reading should have picked up on. The point still stands though.

Like I stated JRSC isn’t a bad solution. And is the answer for SOME in SOME situations.

You basically stated it is ALWAYS the answer in ALL situations, which it is far from being.

Turbos have a TON of benefits over supercharging especially compared to JRSC.

But until OP answers the main questions asked of him. The answer cant be given.
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Old 12-19-2020, 12:38 PM   #18
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Or any month of the year. This forum could be consolidated down to like 20 threads if all the duplicates where removed/consolidated.
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Old 12-19-2020, 02:26 PM   #19
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You sound personally offended someone disagrees with your FI decision.

Below 5k it pretty much looks like every other FBO tune dyno. Nothing special. One of the worst looking plots below 5k out of any FI solution. Saying “stock” was a bit hyperbolic which I think any rational person reading should have picked up on. The point still stands though.

Like I stated JRSC isn’t a bad solution. And is the answer for SOME in SOME situations.

You basically stated it is ALWAYS the answer in ALL situations, which it is far from being.

Turbos have a TON of benefits over supercharging especially compared to JRSC.

But until OP answers the main questions asked of him. The answer cant be given.
JRSC has championships - it is proven on track.

For daily driving, I gave my 3-year experience and provided two other reviews and the dyno chart in addition. There are other experiences posted by others here. And also links to the other thread where CSG Mike states supercharger is the better (cost effective) option, his turbo build is expensive and was done to prove the point that it can be done at a much higher cost.

What did you provide? You don't even have turbo on your car. Why would I take your word for anything?
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Tracking already agreed with, great for budget build. .

Personal experience is anecdotal. And forum is filled with thousands of personal FI stories/experiences besides yours or my own. Which was 100% reliable and had no issues and would have smoked any JRSC at 300whp or less, JRSC has higher ceiling to go over 300whp if desired though, couldn’t imagine having less mid/low end torque.

Dyno charts are all over the internet with a 2second google search. Copy and pasting 1 is hardly providing anything.

I already spoke about vendors pushing product, and his turbo is for the track. Which i stated is expensive. Track and daily are two completely different things.

OP never stated his goals, budget, or use.

Turbos are more efficient. They make more power with less boost. And more Wheel power with less crank power. Turbos are way more customizable/tunable can have different boost maps for octanes or usages, boost by gear, boost by rpm, can typically switch out to different turbos later for upgrades if desired. So many possibilities and variations to suit one’s needs.

But yes as i stated for tracking it is expensive. For a daily it is not. A low psi turbo, catch cans, and oil cooler. Trans cooler for autos and clutches for manuals. And you should be goos to go. Heat management is much less of an issue on a daily.

Go read all the overheating issues from people tracking in the JRSC forums and centrifugal failures popping up recently. Every system has issues and flaws. Still not arguing it’s a bad system by any means either. Just not the one size fits all, best solution no matter what in all cases like you are claiming.
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So, if I could summarize...

The best option is a turbo, unless for you it's a supercharger, but also keeping it stock with headers and a tune isn't a bad option either.
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So, if I could summarize...

The best option is a turbo, unless for you it's a supercharger, but also keeping it stock with headers and a tune isn't a bad option either.
Lol good summary.

OP never provided enough information to answer.
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Which one is better, turbo or SC?



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We just had someone necro a Manual vs Auto thread. I wonder what's next.......
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Which one is better, turbo or SC?



Both together.
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We just had someone necro a Manual vs Auto thread. I wonder what's next.......
Let's just rip off the bandage-

What is the best ride height?
What exhaust sounds best?
Should I get winter tires?
Are roof wraps a good idea?
? Strange buzzing in dash
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Car leaks oil....
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What is the best ride height?
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Should I get winter tires?
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? Strange buzzing in dash
? Car ticking loudly
Car leaks oil....

Calm down, satan.
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