All-New 2022 Toyota 86 Reveal Delayed

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Fantasizing a little, the ND Miata sharing its platform with the Fiat 124, with the Mazda having 1.5 or 2 liter NA engines and the Fiat having a 1.4 turbo engine (with both being built by Mazda in Japan). Following that logic dare we hope that Toyota will put a small turbo engine? Perhaps the one from the GR4 Yaris? It's not much more powerful, although it is quite a bit torqueier, so probably would require an uprated transmission (and diff?). Mazda and Fiat did it, I'm sure Subaru and Toyota can as well!

And if that's the case where the Toyota has a turbo and Subaru is NA, it will limit the choices of prospective buyers dependent on their preferences.

[Sasquachulator]

I dont know if we should even conclude that theres going to be a different powerplant option....thats kind of jumping the gun a little.

For all we know they could just be doing a "Toyota 86 TS" vs a "Subaru BRZ base" type of differentiation and maybe tuning the engine a bit.
Probably just wants a differentiation thats bigger than the 86 vs BRZ currently is (which is weird because they started off driving a bit different tuning wise but somewhat converged to be similar with the 2017 refresh)

Besides, the translation could be a bit off as is typical of google translations.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I dont know if we should even conclude that theres going to be a different powerplant option....thats kind of jumping the gun a little.

For all we know they could just be doing a "Toyota 86 TS" vs a "Subaru BRZ base" type of differentiation and maybe tuning the engine a bit.
Probably just wants a differentiation thats bigger than the 86 vs BRZ currently is (which is weird because they started off driving a bit different tuning wise but somewhat converged to be similar with the 2017 refresh)

Besides, the translation could be a bit off as is typical of google translations.

This exactly. There is no way in hell we will see any major differences between the two cars. Minor tuning - likely more in the suspension than power train, and some differences styling is what we'll likely see.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

This exactly. There is no way in hell we will see any major differences between the two cars. Minor tuning - likely more in the suspension than power train, and some differences styling is what we'll likely see.

But...but...but...I have irrefutable proof I found on the Internet, or my hard drive, or somewhere like that....

[HKz]

The Toyota mule that was running around had the exact tires, brakes and no intercooler like the officially announced BRZ but some of y'all think there is a chance that Toyota will put a turbo engine? Lol...

The Miata/124 Spider example is a poor one. And hilariously despite the turbo, the Alfa was slower than the Miata even before it received the upgraded 2.0! Toyota already has a turbo sports car folks...I'm happy a new NA engine was developed!

[nikitopo]

Interesting article.

[Sport-Tech]

It would be great if Toyota offered the equivalent of the TRD package out of the gate, because it's very unlikely that the performance package will be available on the new BRZ in year one (maybe even not in year two).

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I dont know if we should even conclude that theres going to be a different powerplant option....thats kind of jumping the gun a little.

For all we know they could just be doing a "Toyota 86 TS" vs a "Subaru BRZ base" type of differentiation and maybe tuning the engine a bit.
Probably just wants a differentiation thats bigger than the 86 vs BRZ currently is (which is weird because they started off driving a bit different tuning wise but somewhat converged to be similar with the 2017 refresh)

Besides, the translation could be a bit off as is typical of google translations.

They can have a different focus, like more daily vs trackish.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Blighty

I'm surprised to hear them suggesting changing something like the drivetrain, that seems very odd considering the single manufacturing plant and low cost objectives.

Surely suspension is enough.

But bestcar have a decent record on the new gen, if not quite 100 percent accurate on the details.

Clearly its a rumor, but I can't see any benefit of delaying a launch of what will be viewed as a twin no matter what they change. I mean, I assume if the journalists fall in love with the BRZ and it gets to release and they will then of course pick up all the early sales - what's the gain for Toyota?

They actually risk losing any connection to awards the BRZ might receive, initial sales drive, and run the risk of journalists NOT liking the changes and driving a narrative of it being the inferior model. That is a big risk to take!

Best Car's record on the new ones only looks good if you only read the one immediately before the car showed up and they had real info. Go back even a few months and it was not even close to reality.

Totaly ridiculous to think the CEO of Toyota waited until the car was ready and then said "oh no no no make it better than the BRZ even if we have to wait"

[Brz-123]

I think you guys are reading it a bit differently. In Europe and Asia they have the GR Yaris launched a couple of months ago and they haven't had the footfalls or order books die down. So it will seem sensible to hold on to GR 86 launch when yaris is setting their sales registers going. Once that euphoria dies down , they will do a global GR86 launch is what I suspect.

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[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Totaly ridiculous to think the CEO of Toyota waited until the car was ready and then said "oh no no no make it better than the BRZ even if we have to wait"

Kinda like Jaguar is ridiculous to throw away a billion Pounds investment in the electric XJ that was about ready for production only to invest even more money into a new electric platform for a sedan? Corporations don't always make sense, but I agree fully that the GR86 getting a different engine is a nice dream, but that's all it's gonna ever be. Same as the fabled turbo BRZ STI.

[Islindur]

More agressive suspension (harder springs with appropirate dampers), some styling changes, maybe few hp/nm more at best, I wouldn't get my hopes up but I'm more than welcome to be suprised (positively!).

Honestly I only want them to offer bigger Brembo brakes option from the begining, would be enough. Everything else is extra.

[Lantanafrs2]

This would make no sense for Subaru. Toyota is a monolith. It probably takes a month for a memo to make its way through management. Imo their product quality benefits from this but journalists not so much

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Kinda like Jaguar is ridiculous to throw away a billion Pounds investment in the electric XJ that was about ready for production only to invest even more money into a new electric platform for a sedan? Corporations don't always make sense, but I agree fully that the GR86 getting a different engine is a nice dream, but that's all it's gonna ever be. Same as the fabled turbo BRZ STI.

Different scenario.
This isn't a massive profit potental project. It barely qualifies as a side line and the CEO isn't going to throw money away on it to make it different from the BRZ in any substainal form.
Just antother clickbait write up to seperate the internet from their money when there is no real news to write.