Average Clutch Life?

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Keeping the pedal down at a stoplight will prematurely wear the throwout bearing. That's not the clutch, but it's still wear that will happen.

premature you say ?

[Mister]

Originally Posted by ayau

Keeping the clutch pedal down while at stop lights will also shorten the lifespan. Shift into neutral and release the clutch at stop lights.

This is a terrible idea. If you need to suddenly move/get out of the way of something you will be much slower to react if you first have to put it into gear. In emergency maneuvers fractions of a second count.
I'd rather be ready to move then save what will probably be only a couple thousand miles of it's life.

[qqzj]

What would you do then? Shift into 1st gear and keep both clutch and brake down? If real emergency happens, you might release clutch before step on gas.

Originally Posted by Mister

This is a terrible idea. If you need to suddenly move/get out of the way of something you will be much slower to react if you first have to put it into gear. In emergency maneuvers fractions of a second count.
I'd rather be ready to move then save what will probably be only a couple thousand miles of it's life.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by Mister

This is a terrible idea. If you need to suddenly move/get out of the way of something you will be much slower to react if you first have to put it into gear. In emergency maneuvers fractions of a second count.
I'd rather be ready to move then save what will probably be only a couple thousand miles of it's life.

Yes, you're correct. It's all risk/reward. There are a lot of things people should be doing (or not doing) while driving. I obviously value not having to keep my left foot down at stop lights and saving my throw out bearing over gaining an extra second during an emergency maneuver (if you can really even think and react that fast).

[Mister]

Originally Posted by qqzj

What would you do then? Shift into 1st gear and keep both clutch and brake down? If real emergency happens, you might release clutch before step on gas.

Yes and if I leave it in neutral I might forget to put it in gear and just rev it. Or I put it in gear and I move too fast the clutch might be released too quick anyway.

I'll take less steps and less risks any day.

Typically when I am stopped on level ground I am not holding the brake anyway, the car will stay right where it is because the clutch is in. In which case my foot is already covering the gas, again risk reduced. I am not sure if this is the preferred practice (it may be horribly bad), it is just a habit I picked up.


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[ayau]

Originally Posted by Mister

Yes and if I leave it in neutral I might forget to put it in gear and just rev it. Or I put it in gear and I move too fast the clutch might be released too quick anyway.

I'll take less steps and less risks any day.

Typically when I am stopped on level ground I am not holding the brake anyway, the car will stay right where it is because the clutch is in. In which case my foot is already covering the gas, again risk reduced. I am not sure if this is the preferred practice (it may be horribly bad), it is just a habit I picked up.


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Isn't the general consensus to keep your foot on the brakes in case someone from behind rear ends you? That way your car won't be pushed forward as much, reducing damage to the person in front of you. I'm guessing your response would be: Keep an eye on your rear view mirror and drive away if you think the person behind isn't stopping.

[Mister]

Originally Posted by ayau

Isn't the general consensus to keep your foot on the brakes in case someone from behind rear ends you? That way your car won't be pushed forward as much, reducing damage to the person in front of you. I'm guessing your response would be: Keep an eye on your rear view mirror and drive away if you think the person behind isn't stopping.

I did not claim it to be the best way, you may be completely right in that matter and I will not argue on that. And yes I do watch my mirror when someone is coming up behind me while I am stopped, and it has saved me a couple times from minor fender benders.
Optimally yes you can try to get out of the way if possible, but obviously often times it is not possible, and just standing on the brake is your only option. Either way I would rather have the extra control/less steps to get moving again. I feel it is generally a good idea to have the car in the right gear for the situation, including when stopped.

When driving in Boston you gotta keep your eyes wide and your foot on the gas, people drive like complete assholes so you really have to watch yourself.

As far as premature wear I'm not sure What kind of impact it has, it, as long as the clutch is all the way in I am not worried. I have yet to wear out a clutch before 70-80k, and my father (who taught me this way) is currently still on the original clutch after 145k miles in his Corolla.


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[radroach]

I think the throwout bearing will need to be replaced before the clutch.

I plan on installing a new clutch around 60k, regardless of if it's still in working condition, I'd like a fresh clutch. I'll probably get it done in the same 60k service when I get my spark plugs replaced.

[JS86JS]

I just hit 32k kms on my 86 about an hour ago and I drive it everyday for work in bumper to bumper traffic 8 hours a day and when there's a gap, in the mind numbing traffic or a dead quiet road I'll drive it hard, to enjoy going above 40km/h !!
Long story short, I have had no issues with the clutch engaging, disengaging or no noises (as of yet) keep your car up to its service and hopefully scion, or Subaru or Toyota will truthfully fill you in on when your clutch is dyeing.

To add to that, if you have a dyno graph or you know what power your car has (with your mods, if any) and the power is less than the OEM clutch power rating;
You can replace clutch parts through the warranty for free


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[BRZZZZZZZZZZ]

I've had clutches last anywhere from 160000km to 225000km+ on vehicles I have owned.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Neutral clutch out at a light is bad form. If you need to get moving in an emergency...

On the other hand, if you are hit or your foot slips you cause way more damage. Most people would disagree with your assertion and in the UK or Germany this would lead to a fail on your driving test.

There should be no emergency while stopped at a light. Obviously, your technique only makes any sense if you are first in line, otherwise it makes no sense.

I recommend you rethink this one.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Suberman

On the other hand, if you are hit or your foot slips you cause way more damage. Most people would disagree with your assertion and in the UK or Germany this would lead to a fail on your driving test.

There should be no emergency while stopped at a light. Obviously, your technique only makes any sense if you are first in line, otherwise it makes no sense.

I recommend you rethink this one.

Your other foot is on the brake, whether you hold your clutch in or not. Distance traveled if hit from behind makes no difference.

[TheseColorsDontRun]

All depends on your driving style. Lots of aggressive launches and riding your clutch will wear it quick. Rev-match your downshifts and keep slippage to a minimum. I got over 100k on a stock VW TDI clutch pushing 330tq, 80k on a 400whp LS2 GTO clutch. I expect 125k out of this clutch. I'm at 188whp and don't plan any more power adders.

[bkblitzed]

with me clutch kicking, and launching everyday, who knows. It's lasted 20k miles so far heh