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Old 10-09-2020, 10:40 PM   #29
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All of the clickbaits that copy pasted Best car say it DOES

It is leaked official information. Leaked right out of somebody’s ass that is.

We still have no clue if they will use the 2.4 much less what HP it will have.
I can't wait for them to come out and say they decided to do a 3 way collaboration and added Mercedes to the picture so they could use their M139 and ditch the boxer.
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Old 10-10-2020, 10:24 AM   #30
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No one is sure about the engine, but a safe bet could be to get the same displacement engine the next STI will have but without the turbo. About the 217hp number it is just an estimation and from my point of view overestimated. Latest Crosstrek has a 176 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm and a 182 hp @ 5,800 or 164.8 lb-ft @ 5,800. If they could increase the rev-limiter up to 6,700 and have same torque , then it'll give 210hp @ 6,700. I wouldn't expect the limiter to go higher and all these with the assumption of using the new 2.5lt motor. If they go with the 2.4lt motor, then the numbers would be a bit less. Overall, I wouldn't expect more than 5-7hp of a power increase. The best selling point will be the increased torque in the low to mid-rev ranges and the slight improved 0-60 mph timings. A big question is about the weight, since it is heard that the unibody frame will be new (SGP - Subaru Global Platform).
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My guess is that the new car will perform on par with a well tuned current generation 86
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Old 10-10-2020, 02:29 PM   #32
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Personally I would prefer the smaller and higher rev engine. It adds up to the sports fun factor without losing much on performance. The new one should be better for the automatic transmission with the more torque.

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It’s all speculation, but I don’t really understand a move to NA 2.4. It’s over the key 2.0L displacement barrier where many regions of the world increase taxes and/or registration fees, so that sucks. Yet it isn’t likely to provide enough of a power bump to justify the extra cost of ownership for those buyers living in heavy taxing regions... including, and this is really important, Japan, the home market that is pretty important for sales.

We shall see what they do, I guess. I wonder when they will release official engine details? They’ve been quite coy about it.
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It’s all speculation, but I don’t really understand a move to NA 2.4. It’s over the key 2.0L displacement barrier where many regions of the world increase taxes and/or registration fees, so that sucks. Yet it isn’t likely to provide enough of a power bump to justify the extra cost of ownership for those buyers living in heavy taxing regions... including, and this is really important, Japan, the home market that is pretty important for sales.

We shall see what they do, I guess. I wonder when they will release official engine details? They’ve been quite coy about it.
This is one of the reasons saying that the next generation is designed mainly by Subaru. The most important market for Subaru is the US market and over there they can accept a higher displacement engine with more enthusiasm. It would be nice if they could keep the 2.0 lt engine for other regions the same way they were doing in the past for Forester (2.5 lt in US/Australia, 2.0 lt in Europe/Japan). I am not quite sure though if the sales figures and current economy could justify supporting two different engines. Who knows, let's wait to see ...
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It’s all speculation, but I don’t really understand a move to NA 2.4. It’s over the key 2.0L displacement barrier where many regions of the world increase taxes and/or registration fees, so that sucks. Yet it isn’t likely to provide enough of a power bump to justify the extra cost of ownership for those buyers living in heavy taxing regions... including, and this is really important, Japan, the home market that is pretty important for sales.

We shall see what they do, I guess. I wonder when they will release official engine details? They’ve been quite coy about it.
Eh in Japan the difference between 2.0 and 2.4 isn't much.. just roughly $60 difference..

1.5-litres–2.0-litres ¥39,500
2.0-litres–2.5-litres ¥45,000
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It’s all speculation, but I don’t really understand a move to NA 2.4. It’s over the key 2.0L displacement barrier where many regions of the world increase taxes and/or registration fees, so that sucks. Yet it isn’t likely to provide enough of a power bump to justify the extra cost of ownership for those buyers living in heavy taxing regions... including, and this is really important, Japan, the home market that is pretty important for sales.

We shall see what they do, I guess. I wonder when they will release official engine details? They’ve been quite coy about it.
They'll hold the details back as long as they can as they sit there browsing this forum and laughing at us taking guesses at all the specs for the past few years.
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If its n.a. it will probably have fa20 heads .
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Official release of images/data is 11/18/2020, info from a teaser from Subaru.
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If its n.a. it will probably have fa20 heads .
Not sure they will be able to keep them (to make K20/K24 Frankenstein monster engines :P), but your guess kinda follows rumored power figures for the new engine (217 horsepower and 177 lb-ft of torque at a lower 5,500 rpm). If they do keep them FA20 heads, that means they elongated stroke to provide the increased displacement, which got me thinking any increase in deck height gonna make spark plug changes much more enjoyable.

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No one is sure about the engine, but a safe bet could be to get the same displacement engine the next STI will have but without the turbo. About the 217hp number it is just an estimation and from my point of view overestimated. Latest Crosstrek has a 176 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm and a 182 hp @ 5,800 or 164.8 lb-ft @ 5,800. If they could increase the rev-limiter up to 6,700 and have same torque , then it'll give 210hp @ 6,700. I wouldn't expect the limiter to go higher and all these with the assumption of using the new 2.5lt motor. If they go with the 2.4lt motor, then the numbers would be a bit less. Overall, I wouldn't expect more than 5-7hp of a power increase. The best selling point will be the increased torque in the low to mid-rev ranges and the slight improved 0-60 mph timings. A big question is about the weight, since it is heard that the unibody frame will be new (SGP - Subaru Global Platform).
I'm just guestimating on the opposite direction with FA24 engine update but couldn't Subaru keep the high revving nature of the FA20 (and possibly higher power numbers) if the 86mm stroke stays same and bore was increased to 94mm?
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Not sure they will be able to keep them (to make K20/K24 Frankenstein monster engines :P), but your guess kinda follows rumored power figures for the new engine (217 horsepower and 177 lb-ft of torque at a lower 5,500 rpm). If they do keep them FA20 heads, that means they elongated stroke to provide the increased displacement, which got me thinking any increase in deck height gonna make spark plug changes much more enjoyable.


I'm just guestimating on the opposite direction with FA24 engine update but couldn't Subaru keep the high revving nature of the FA20 (and possibly higher power numbers) if the 86mm stroke stays same and bore was increased to 94mm?
The revs are limited be reciprocating weight (among many other parameters of course). Larger pistons typically weigh more. They likely do have the option to reduce weight through a trade-off of durability or price, but you have to remember this is still an entry level sports car. So larger displacement per cylinder is usually going to reduce maximum RPM.
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Not sure they will be able to keep them (to make K20/K24 Frankenstein monster engines :P), but your guess kinda follows rumored power figures for the new engine (217 horsepower and 177 lb-ft of torque at a lower 5,500 rpm). If they do keep them FA20 heads, that means they elongated stroke to provide the increased displacement, which got me thinking any increase in deck height gonna make spark plug changes much more enjoyable.


I'm just guestimating on the opposite direction with FA24 engine update but couldn't Subaru keep the high revving nature of the FA20 (and possibly higher power numbers) if the 86mm stroke stays same and bore was increased to 94mm?
There is no mystery here. The FA24 engine is a 94mm bore and an 86mm stroke. These numbers are published.
The boosted FA24 has a compression ratio of 10.6:1 so they will have to do something about that if it is an NA version or it will suck.
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