Impressions on 2022 BRZ vs. my 2018 BRZ

[danson]

Blows my mind people are spending their time on a 2nd gen owners forum grasping for reasons to not like the 2nd gen. I mean if you want a dated interior and less power so you can feel like a hipster just go drive an ae86.

A Buick? Tesla? Jesus christ its a facelift and upgraded engine. Its 98% the same exact car.

[PBR]

Originally Posted by danson

Blows my mind people are spending their time on a 2nd gen owners forum grasping for reasons to not like the 2nd gen. I mean if you want a dated interior and less power so you can feel like a hipster just go drive an ae86.

A Buick? Tesla? Jesus christ its a facelift and upgraded engine. Its 98% the same exact car.

Totally agree. And I don't see how the car is "softer." 60% stiffer front end. 70% stiffer subframe. 50% more torsional rigidity. They made it a much more hard core sports car with better interior materials. It's still not a luxury car. Weight didn't really go up. And now you can actually use 3rd gear to hold a slide. Everything i see is showing me a better sports car. Not car. Even prefer the lighter steering with more consistent feel from lock to lock. Anyways, that's what I've found. I don't like the FA20. I think it truly is a dud. The FA24? It's a whole lot better.

[quikag]

Both gens are cool, but at 45 and with several other cars in the garage, the 1st gen never appealed to me. The Gen 2 just seemed more finished, mature, and capable off the showroom floor. So, I got one and love it so far. It's engine, stiffer chassis, and other tweaks make for a great foundation for fun street driving and capable track driving.

[dragoontwo]

Originally Posted by PBR

Totally agree. And I don't see how the car is "softer." 60% stiffer front end. 70% stiffer subframe. 50% more torsional rigidity. They made it a much more hard core sports car with better interior materials. It's still not a luxury car. Weight didn't really go up. And now you can actually use 3rd gear to hold a slide. Everything i see is showing me a better sports car. Not car. Even prefer the lighter steering with more consistent feel from lock to lock. Anyways, that's what I've found. I don't like the FA20. I think it truly is a dud. The FA24? It's a whole lot better.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say suspension valving.

[PBR]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

I'm going to take a wild guess and say suspension valving.

I meant metaphorically. It's a much more capable machine that feels better at low speeds and definitely feels better in spirited driving and on opposite lock. If I never drive a gen 1 again? I'll be more than OK. They killed it with the 2nd gen is my opinion. And I've owned both.

[dragoontwo]

Originally Posted by PBR

I meant metaphorically. It's a much more capable machine that feels better at low speeds and definitely feels better in spirited driving and on opposite lock. If I never drive a gen 1 again? I'll be more than OK. They killed it with the 2nd gen is my opinion. And I've owned both.

I came from a '20 and feel that the '22 is almost on par as the '20 was with rear diff inserts and subframe inserts. Both with STI eng and trans mounts and rear shifter stay upgrade.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mike2100

I think that's the definition of confirmation bias.

That works both ways.
The guys that believe the 22 is all of a sudden a Porsche killer suffer the same delusion.

[Petah78]

I think Gen 1 (13-16) is NOTICEBLY "rawer" than any other MY. Gen 1.5 (17+) are noticeably softer and more refined already. I am sure Gen2 just takes this up another notch but that is not to say it can't be made stiffer. Just a set of coilovers and you are pretty much 90% there. We have to keep in mind that both gens shares 95% of the same chassis so any different felt is largely in the suspension tuning. Slap a set of 22+ suspension on a Gen1 car and you have a soft ride and if you do the reverse, the 22 car will now be "crashy".

But i get it, there are "sensory" experiences that cannot be measured with numbers. It really comes down to your preference. It's the same argument on the S2k boards, AP1 vs AP2.

[PBR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

That works both ways.
The guys that believe the 22 is all of a sudden a Porsche killer suffer the same delusion.

It's not a Porsche killer. But I do prefer it quite a bit more than my gen 1 for reasons I've stated. I'm sorry this bothers so many gen 1 owners.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by danson

Blows my mind people are spending their time on a 2nd gen owners forum grasping for reasons to not like the 2nd gen. I mean if you want a dated interior and less power so you can feel like a hipster just go drive an ae86.

A Buick? Tesla? Jesus christ its a facelift and upgraded engine. Its 98% the same exact car.

And if you want a factory spec boy racer body style then the 22 is certainly for you!

It is a fucking comparison thread even if on the master race second gen sub. Some people like the first gen better and say so. They must all be morons though since that 2% difference (your own value) makes the 22 a supercar all of a sudden.
Going to start a petition to have all the first gen cars crushed since they are such a total waste of time to own and nobody can possibly like them better.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PBR

It's not a Porsche killer. But I do prefer it quite a bit more than my gen 1 for reasons I've stated. I'm sorry this bothers so many gen 1 owners.

Don't think anybody is bothered that you like it better. The insistence that EVERYBODY else should also like it better is the sticking point.

[PBR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And if you want a factory spec boy racer body style then the 22 is certainly for you!

It is a fucking comparison thread even if on the master race second gen sub. Some people like the first gen better and say so. They must all be morons though since that 2% difference (your own value) makes the 22 a supercar all of a sudden.
Going to start a petition to have all the first gen cars crushed since they are such a total waste of time to own and nobody can possibly like them better.

It's still a good car. Its just now there's an even better choice. And a lot or us believe that. That is a big opinon around here. Why is that so bothersome to you? You think it's to hurt feelings? It's not. I promise.

[PBR]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

I came from a '20 and feel that the '22 is almost on par as the '20 was with rear diff inserts and subframe inserts. Both with STI eng and trans mounts and rear shifter stay upgrade.

I didn't have any bracing on my '13. I'm sure it makes a difference. The stiffening of the chassis was one of the first things I noticed. Reminded me of my RX8s which have very high torsional rigidity. Especially across the front end and rear lateral stiffness.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by PBR

Totally agree. And I don't see how the car is "softer." 60% stiffer front end. 70% stiffer subframe. 50% more torsional rigidity. They made it a much more hard core sports car with better interior materials. It's still not a luxury car. Weight didn't really go up. And now you can actually use 3rd gear to hold a slide. Everything i see is showing me a better sports car. Not car. Even prefer the lighter steering with more consistent feel from lock to lock. Anyways, that's what I've found. I don't like the FA20. I think it truly is a dud. The FA24? It's a whole lot better.

I'll repeat my Cayman example, as your description can easily apply when discussing 987 vs 981 or 981 vs 982 (well, except the downsized turbo engines).

Objectively, the second gen is superior in almost any way to the first gen (the weight gain is somewhat more than advertised, since they removed the spare tire), I'm not arguing with that. I also never said it's not the better sports car.

What I am trying to share is my personal subjective experience. Could it be that my mods are the reason for that? Or perhaps my nostalgia to my first drive in my BRZ colored my impressions? All might be true. I still feel that this is a useful experience to share with other people.