Wonder what Toyota will do if you track this car

[2fast4you]

Odds are if you are running in a SCCA or NASA class events with R-comp tires, there probably isn't much left on the car that is still under the original manufacturer warranty.

That said, LSxJunkie is 100%, however, given the testing cycle at Nürburgring, I doubt will see too many issues if staying within +2 of class in solo events... past that and stock parts begin disappearing at a rapid pace.

As for insurance, AAA of California had me covered for HPDE in 2006-2008.

[ryude]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The dealer/manufacturer has to PROVE that the aftermarket part caused the damage. You could modify every single part of the car but leave the OEM radio, if the CD transport fails after 35 months, it's still going to covered under warranty.

The Dealer can just deny service. Dealer's have a contract with the manufacturer and you have a warranty with the manufacturer, not with the dealer.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ryude

The Dealer can just deny service. Dealer's have a contract with the manufacturer and you have a warranty with the manufacturer, not with the dealer.

True. And then you call the manufacturer. The dealer doesn't want you to call them and complain. I have had to do that before and it's amazing how friendly the service manager becomes.

[Zaku]

hmm Im not sure if this has happened in any other areas. But here the Mitsubishi dealer was rumored to actually go to the track and take down VIN of EVOX they sold and find at the track and then they void the warranty. Once the car goes in for maintenance or oil change or when something goes wrong. This wasn't just one Mitsubishi dealer either, I heard it was almost all over the country.

[Ryephile]

Here's my take on the situation: saying it can go to the track is primarily a source of bragging rights for the vast majority of buyers than have never been nor will ever go to the track. It's mainly marketing.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by ft86Fan

Oh, they stopped that a long time ago. Almost all insurance companies now say that as long as your car is on the track, it is not covered. Doesn't matter if its called High Performance Driving Education (HPDE) or that its not timed. If you want insurance for track days you'll have to buy it separately from insurance companies that offers it. Usually by the days.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Correct.. some auto insurance still allows it but it's very limited now.

Also, the HPDE in question needs to go through a process to get approval from those track insurance companies so check with the organization to see who they've signed up with to offer participants insurance.

Oh that sucks! I rememeber a few insurance companies like Allstate and Statefarm provided coverage but as you mentioned, that was a while ago and changed.

So what are some of the HPDE insurance carriers that are available and what is the cost?

[CXTKRS1]

Return car to stock condition and bring it back to dealer. Deny you tracked car and let them know the burden of proof is on them.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by CXTKRS1

Return car to stock condition and bring it back to dealer. Deny you tracked car and let them know the burden of proof is on them.

Yup. That's not fraudulent at all. And of course they don't have the right to refuse service.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by RRnold

So what are some of the HPDE insurance carriers that are available and what is the cost?

I use Lockton Affinity (http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=1) to provide participants of the ITR Expo the ability to purchase insurance.

A quick quote from them with an agreed value of $25,000 shows the following:
Single-event policy: $167
6-event policy: $836
9-event policy: $1024
12-event policy: $1186
15-event policy: $1323

[CXTKRS1]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Yup. That's not fraudulent at all. And of course they don't have the right to refuse service.

You would be surprised how easy it is to do this and if you have a good relationship with dealer they shouldn't care. Hell my friend's C6 ZO6 I think is on it's third rear end.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by CXTKRS1

Return car to stock condition and bring it back to dealer. Deny you tracked car and let them know the burden of proof is on them.

For insurance that might be hard (this topic spawned into two different conversations like usual ). Calling them to pickup your totaled car at the track might be a good indicator of where the damage occured

On the warranty side (ethics aside) you could try that but be ready to explain it. It tends to be obvious when things get changed, bolts show evidence of being turned, etc. That's a sure way to make sure it's not covered (if you get caught lying about it) and the manufacturer will stand by the dealer with that evidence.

[Slide]

Originally Posted by Zaku

hmm Im not sure if this has happened in any other areas. But here the Mitsubishi dealer was rumored to actually go to the track and take down VIN of EVOX they sold and find at the track and then they void the warranty. Once the car goes in for maintenance or oil change or when something goes wrong. This wasn't just one Mitsubishi dealer either, I heard it was almost all over the country.

I have also heard same rumor from Subaru... Here ins Aust and in the States...

[yarik83]

Dealer is by no means contractually obligated to service your vehicle unless it was a factory recall. Even then they will only service your vehicle ONLY if changes that you have made to the vehicle did not void factory recall issues.

Case in point.

My 2008 tacoma had airbag sensor failure. Stupid little clock spring plastic assembly that goes behind airbag on steering wheel. Car is not even 4 years old and sensor went bad. I have absolutely no modifications to the vehicle BUT my mileage is 70,000 which is 10,000 over what warranty runs out at. So if I arrived at the dealership at 59,999.99 miles they would have fixed it for free but if I entered dealer's lot with 60,000.01 they would have told me to pay... which I did.

On my tacoma forums tons of members are having warranty issues where dealer denies service because trucks have been lowered/raised/suspension changed etc. Simple as that... dealer is not obligated to do anything to your vehicle if they feel that vehicle has been tampered with.

Lets say you wanted to change your hood to carbon fibre hood and down the road hood flew off ripping out hinges and messing up your windshield and roof and fenders... dealer would not cover that repair because hinges did not fail under normal expected conditions of stock hood. Even if it was a stock hood they would probably tell you that you are stupid for forgetting to close down your hood.

Lets say you wanted to lower your car and your alignment became out of whack, control arm bent etc etc... dealer would not honor warranty related claim because car was modified.

When you buy a car there are like 25 pages of fine print that you have to read that tells you all conditions which will result in warranty to be void.

If you take your car to the track... there will be damage somewhere sometime but do not expect manufacturer or the dealer to fix it for free because their mechanics and claims specialists are not stupid either.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by CXTKRS1

You would be surprised how easy it is to do this and if you have a good relationship with dealer they shouldn't care. Hell my friend's C6 ZO6 I think is on it's third rear end.

If you have a good relationship with your dealer, that's another story. You're not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. They're looking the other way but everyone understands the car is being abused. Some dealerships do this to garner loyalty. It works.

However, don't expect to be able to walk into a dealership you've never been in before and try to get a blown diff replaced no questions asked.