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11-24-2023, 12:16 AM | #29 | |
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With MY2024 incoming, good time to look for deals on MY2023 BRZ. Just got a 2nd gen MY2023 BRZ this month. MSRP 29.7k Agreed price 28.3k Out the door 29.7k.(agreed price + doc fee, registration, tax) Having said that, in my area with lots of dealer competition, only 1 dealer was willing to sell a brz under msrp, and 1 dealer willing to sell a gr86 slightly under msrp. Msrp is far easier to get. Coming from a 2017 PP BRZ. The facelift PP 1st gen vs my new 2nd gen Facelift PP brembos braking was far superior in function and looks. Facelift looks with the rear wing was superior also Facelift turn signal was normal Facelift analog speedometer was retro cool Facelift trunk was bigger Despite above, my 2nd gen brz is worth the 10k price difference without a doubt for 2 reasons. No torque dip! More hp! (Probably under rated. 240hp?)
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I chose to save 2.5k and get the base because Dealer willing to discount base a little more under msrp due to lower popularity The heated seats stink and take forever The speakers stink and 2 extra speakers that stink dont help I never notice the directional headlights on my other cars Cloth is grippier. All my cars run aftermarket wheels.
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The ONLY thing that shouldn't be calculated into MSRP are taxes and and extra shit you get. (Undercoating/etc.) And way to brag about that $300 difference. As if the 30K quote wasn't just rounding up to the nearest round number. |
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Correct -- no markup at all. Local dealer sells at MSRP only. I believe the car was $29k with a GR shift knob for options and a 200 or 300 dollar dealer charge. Ended up at $29.5k all said and done. I was originally looking for a limited, but this one fell into my lap. Everywhere I called had at least a 6 month wait... someone canceled their order on this one when it was already on the ship over from Japan. Got it less than 6 weeks after putting down a deposit. Only real bonuses with the limited were the seat material, fancier headlights that point around corners, different wheels, a few more speakers, and the duckbill spoiler. I like the base cloth seats more actually and the $5k ish saved off the limited easily buys nicer wheels and speakers + a $400 pre-painted duckbill from Toyota anyways. |
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11-27-2023, 09:23 AM | #34 |
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From OPs post, I noticed that he is rather young, 19YO or around. At such age, the last thing you want to do is to commit yourself to a high car payment/insurance, yearly property taxes. This means that even if you walk out the door with a 30K vehicle, the first year you'll pay almost $900 in property tax. Based on Colorado rates.
I saw it all the time with young soldiers. Where basically a good chunk of your salary would go towards payments for the car. If you got the means for such a young age, then great for you. Or if you, working with family, will guarantee a great starting salary, then that is also great. I know it is the last thing you want to hear, financial jargon and non-sense. But owning a new car specially when trying to become financially stable/independent is not always easy. Instead of trying to convince you which car in terms of performance/warranty would be best, take a look at which one financially would make the most sense. Put everything into the able, rent, groceries, etc. Then add the cost of each car. See what is more feasible. Last edited by spcmafia; 11-27-2023 at 01:58 PM. |
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Not surprised to see new BRZ/86 selling below MSRP, it's getting pretty cold out there.
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta There were days when I wondered if that would ever be a thing again. To be honest I almost preferred the world where MSRP was the best you can do. In the before times you needed to do some work to figure out what the lowest you could conceivably get was, and then go work for that. Always be second guessing. |
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yeah, this was also a plan of mine. to buy a used '22 or '23, instead of brand new. i think that is much more doable |
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Yeah, this is why I'm OK with a first gen if the financial situation doesn't make for a new BRZ. I don't really care. I prefer a new one just to keep it long-term and avoid repair costs however an old one is fine by me Quote:
would you say the few thousand saved from going with the base is worth it or did you do it just because you had to? i feel like i'm cheaping out if i get a base model brz.. siince theyre already "cheap", everyone tells me that, but i personally dont care about a premium or base trim i just want the car. Quote:
Yeah I actually started budgeting this month and it's opened my eyes. It made me 100x more confident about buying a BRZ because I actually get a good overview about my finances and big purchases dont get in the way of my savings goals. It's also taught me how to balance my priorities and such. So I don't think money is going to be an issue IF everything goes as planned. Especially since it'll only be one car payment and I'm aiming for a higher down payment to get a <$300 monthly payment and no more than 4 or 5 year term. So $20k down payment. That's a good amount of saving and it may take longer since I also must put some in an account for a house & retirement but it is definitely doable I should be a 2nd year apprentice at the time of buying a BRZ. But I'll def keep all that in mind. My plan was to get a rough estimate of the insurance, gas, and monthly car note, go a year or so of putting that much into my savings, and seeing if it's doable. If so, then I'll know it's possible to get the car. If I struggle at all, then I'll have to hold off |
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With current inflation rates, putting that kind of money down on a depreciating asset is a terrible financial choice vs putting it in the market.
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Understandable. So in that case just get a cheap used 1st gen? Because I know that'd be something I could easily afford for under 20k and it would be enough for me to have fun But would I even be able to get a house in my 20s without some kind of loan in my history? I don't think credit card purchases are enough to convince lenders I can make mortgage payments? Unless they are. I could also finance something cheaper like a used 1st gen in that case? |
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As for building up credit scores and getting a mortgage, you'd be surprised. I have two girls who aren't much older than you and have/will soon be in a similar position in life. My youngest has seen major improvement in her credit score since getting a card and keeping it paid off each month. When she starts paying on her student loans and makes payments on time, that will help tons too. My oldest and her husband bought a house about three years ago. After graduating from college, they kept their debt to a minimum, kept their credit cards paid off, paid student loans on time, and paid their rent on time for 3~4 years. When they moved to a new city and decided to buy a house, they were pleasantly surprised by their credit score and the mortgage rates they were offered. I think the credit score an a reasonable debt-to-income ration really helped. |
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As mentioned, get a credit card and USE IT FOR EVERYTHING. But pay it off each month. We switched to just using one card for everything a few years ago vs my fiance buying something and paying me back or vice-versa. In just 3 years, the limit on that card has jumped from $15k to 35K, on just that card. Higher limits, with lower usage keep your debt-to-income and your credit utilization good. Check out pages like Mrmoneymustache and the like. Personally, my advice, would not to be taking on a car loan before you can even buy a 6-pack.
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