Trying to decide between an ND Miata, upcoming BRZ, or Civic si

[DarkSideFRS]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

2017 AWD Q50 premium w/ premium+ Package, nav system, splash guards, fully tinted, 36k miles, 1 owner, clean title, $24k dealer / $26k OTD, New MSRP sticker $48,500

You can get signature rwd for under $40k new all day.

Wow. That's a lot of depreciation. Thanks for the reminder for never buying a new Infiniti

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

Wow. That's a lot of depreciation. Thanks for the reminder for never buying a new Infiniti

It’s not out of the normal range of depreciation. Just got to shop around and negotiate. 3-4yrs old with 35000-40000 miles half msrp sticker price is pretty normal.

Bought the 86 new and always regretted it. they get hit pretty hard with depreciation. Now that 17-18s are in the above range they are pretty solid buys used. Just not as solid as a 19 miata lol. Especially if you can wait another year.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

Wow. That's a lot of depreciation. Thanks for the reminder for never buying a new Infiniti

but be sure to look up insurance rates. in '14, a brand new brz was about $1,000 cheaper per year for insurance than a '08 g37, despite the g37 being way cheaper.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by soundman98

but be sure to look up insurance rates. in '14, a brand new brz was about $1,000 cheaper per year for insurance than a '08 g37, despite the g37 being way cheaper.

Mine didn’t really change. Insurance is primarily based on value of the car, driving record, level of coverage, and avg cost to repair. Switching from a 17 86 to a 17 Q50 went up about 20$ a month or $240 a year. Roughly proportional to the value of the 86 vs Q50.

[Matt93SE]

It's a bit odd, but Nissan/ Infiniti depreciation is a lot higher than Toyota & Honda cars, although you get the same japanese reliability. I've bought multiple Zs, Gs, and Qs over the years, and a 3yr old car is about 1/2 the price of new (In 2018, I bought a 2015 Q50s with 24k miles for $23k..)

Depending on how long you keep cars, that depreciation thing can be a boon or a bane. Since I buy slightly used cars and keep them until they wear out, depreciation is great for me since I get a good car for cheaper. I drive them 200k + miles and then dump them for $3000 and move on.

If I were buying a new car and keeping it 2-3 years, I'd be more interested in a Honda or Toyota that keeps pretty high resale value for the first few years.

I can buy a whole lot more car for $25k this way than I can new.... when I bought the Q, I was actually shopping for 2017-2018 Civics, WRZ, 86.. then saw this car on the lot while I was waiting on the sales guy to "find the keys" to the WRX. The torque of the VQ37 is WAY more fun around town than a sub-2L 4 banger, and it still handles pretty well around the turns when you put enough rubber under it. 275s on 19x10 under factory fenders? noooo problem.

I don't mind hauling my boss, coworkers, or clients to lunch or business meetings since the Q looks and sounds like an adult car.

Also, because I'm an old (40s) married man and we both have clean driving records, I pay less than $1200 a year for three street cars combined. So insuring an 86 for "$1000 less" than my Q just ain't gonna happen- at least not in my world.


All that said, if I had the choices of the above I would still pick the Si for a daily, BRZ or ND for a second car. If I was opening the choices up and had to do it over again? I'd still look at Infiniti- maybe spend more time looking for a 3.0tt instead of the 3.7 because they are so moddable. The 3.7 is no slouch, but the 3.0tt can make insane power with a few inexpensive mods.

[Jordanwolf]

Miata Is Always The Answer

[jflogerzi]

Gonna say save some bucks and get a used BRZ/FT86

[MeepSecurity]

Hey guys, just following up after looking at the posts. After doing a bit more research, I decided I like the upcoming BRZ the most as the primary option for now. Mainly because of the mix of daily drivability, and fun. On top of that, If the upcoming BRZ is good as i think it will be, It will be better than the miata IMO. As for some of your questions, Im young and wont be carrying people 9/10 times. Im also slightly concerned if i get the 2022, the reliability will be an issue like the 2013s. Hopefully not considering its built off of the ascent platform without the turbo and is a revised version of the current model. Also after doing some research my modding preferences have changed a bit. I'm probably not going to do that many mods to the performace besides exhaust, tune, (maybe) headers, exhaust, and coilovers/ springs. Ill probably be doing some cosmetic mods such as wheels and aero etc. My specific location is NYC but I also commute to long island and will likely drive other places besides the city.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by MeepSecurity

Hey guys, just following up after looking at the posts. After doing a bit more research, I decided I like the upcoming BRZ the most as the primary option for now. Mainly because of the mix of daily drivability, and fun. On top of that, If the upcoming BRZ is good as i think it will be, It will be better than the miata IMO. As for some of your questions, Im young and wont be carrying people 9/10 times. Im also slightly concerned if i get the 2022, the reliability will be an issue like the 2013s. Hopefully not considering its built off of the ascent platform without the turbo and is a revised version of the current model. Also after doing some research my modding preferences have changed a bit. I'm probably not going to do that many mods to the performace besides exhaust, tune, (maybe) headers, exhaust, and coilovers/ springs. Ill probably be doing some cosmetic mods such as wheels and aero etc. My specific location is NYC but I also commute to long island and will likely drive other places besides the city.

Just get what you like bro.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

So useless rear seats that many people delete there so useless.

A bigger trunk but it’s not big enough to do anything special with compared to the Mx-5s, mx-5 is smaller but isn’t too small to not be usable. In my 86 I never even used the trunk once. Groceries always on passenger seat.

Interior storage is slightly more practical on the brz
But the mx-5 has a center rear locking glove box, and a storage cubby behind each seat, also enough space behind each seat to store a laptop bag / man bag.

Not a lot more the brz can do from a practical storage standpoint vs the mx-5 if you really break it down. On paper it is but in practice not as much.

Plus the mx-5 physically being smaller makes it easier to fit in tight parking spots, not worry as much about door dings having more space between vehicles, maneuvering around tight turns and roads. In that regard it’s more practical.

Have to disagree on them being useless. You can fit 4 race tires in the back. I’ve also had grown adults in the back. A baby seat in the back. My running stroller (Bobs fixed wheel) also fits easily in the trunk. I’m 6’2” and I’ve sat in the back before. Clearly it’s not an Audi A8L in the back but to say it isn’t more practical than an ND is borderline ignorant.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Don’t think OP has kids. I’d never want to put a kid in a car seat in the rear seats. Did it once, never again. Maybe a forward facing seat when they are about 2. Then I imagine by about 6-8 they’ll stop fitting. I hope if someone has kids they have a more practical car and this is a 2nd or 3rd car. And no grown adult should ever even attempt getting back there.

I’ve had forward and rear facing seats in mine. Rear facing was more of a pain but I had the docking type so I just dropped it right in. My little one is 3 now so he get in the seat on his own and then I reach around from the drivers seat to buckle him. I also have a 14 and 15 year old and one of them can sit in the back. I’m 6.2 so no one sits behind me. So it’s more like a 2+1.

My mom was a die hard sports coupe with manual transmission kind of mom so I grew up crammed in the back of small cars. I turned out just fine and have zero traumatic memories. Hahaha

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by ermax

Have to disagree on them being useless. You can fit 4 race tires in the back. I’ve also had grown adults in the back. A baby seat in the back. My running stroller (Bobs fixed wheel) also fits easily in the trunk. I’m 6’2” and I’ve sat in the back before. Clearly it’s not an Audi A8L in the back but to say it isn’t more practical than an ND is borderline ignorant.

you sound like a masochist.


You clearly aren't commenting in regards to the OP and his situation either. All of what you said has been discussed.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by ermax

I’ve had forward and rear facing seats in mine. Rear facing was more of a pain but I had the docking type so I just dropped it right in. My little one is 3 now so he get in the seat on his own and then I reach around from the drivers seat to buckle him. I also have a 14 and 15 year old and one of them can sit in the back. I’m 6.2 so no one sits behind me. So it’s more like a 2+1.

My mom was a die hard sports coupe with manual transmission kind of mom so I grew up crammed in the back of small cars. I turned out just fine and have zero traumatic memories. Hahaha

Wait... are you 6'2" ?

[serialk11r]

As a young guy who lived in NYC the last few years, I say YOLO get the ND Miata. I wasn't expecting much when I rented an ND1 on Turo, but the car really blew me away. Easily the most driver-oriented mass-market car available right now. The only problem is...I need the seat all the way back, my face is still in the windshield, and my knees are touching the wheel. I don't think a fixed bucket seat all the way to the floor would alleviate all the issues.

Are you really ever going to have passengers? I've almost never even had visitors to my apartment, I've never heard of anyone owning a car (aside from my boss who had an M3 just for fun), and I've never heard of anyone not taking cab/public transit everywhere. I bought my FR-S when I lived in SF for practicality and it was honestly a huge waste, I would just occasionally cram an extra roommate into the rear seat and give them a free ride somewhere nearby when it would've been cheaper if all of us just split an Uber (parking was crazy expensive, came out to >50 dollars every time I took the car out).

Recently, I bought a G35 coupe thinking it could be a dual use toy and practical car, and I think I made the same mistake again. A G35 with a manual transmission is still not a good toy, it's a mix of cruiser and practical hauler. I'm going to get rid of it for a 2 seater sports car and just rent a van when I need it.

You're buying this car as a toy. The ND is a fantastic toy. You can save money and get an ND1 and swap the cams and give it a tune so it performs close to an ND2.