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Nobody builds their own transmissions. Car manufacturers make very few parts anymore. They buy them from a relatively small pool of parts manufacturers or they have a sub division that makes them for themselves and any other company that will pay. Car companies are pretty much assembly only now.
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It's basically like Essilor/Luxoticca probably made your glasses regardless of design and branding on the outside. |
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Intentionally detuning the engine, and saddling it solely with an slushbox...sucks.
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The catch was that the car companies wanted these parts cheaper and cheaper every year. So in order to save costs the parts companies started farming out even smaller sub assemblies. When I started at Siemans in 1990 we made the HVAC motors for about 6 different car brands ranging from Ford to Porsche. At that time we made the whole motor. We stamped and notched the cases from sheet, cut and machined the shafts, assembled and wound the armature and even made the wiring harness connectors and wires. This still cost too much so gradually over time all those things got farmed out to even smaller manufacturers. By the time it closed up in 1998 it had gone from a huge manufacturing operation to a relatively small assembly plant. Even then it was too costly so the smaller yet places stole the contracts. Then 2008 came along and kicked the living shit out of the parts industry. Many, many of these smaller places just did not have the diversification to survive and closed up so things went from thousands of suppliers to a couple of hundred. When the recovery came along all that was left was a handful of very large companies with several different divisions making parts for just about every car company. I don't see the industry ever going back to independent suppliers for each company. The relevance of all that babbling to the conversation here is that it doesn't really matter who or where something is assembled most of the parts come from pretty much the same places anyway. Yes, there is a distinct division between the European and Asian manufacturers but that line is getting blurred more and more every year as each works to break into the other's market. Oh and of the top twenty parts companies the American owned ones barely placed in the "Also Ran" category since they were the smaller payers and 2008 hit them the hardest. DAMNIT we dropped 3 places last year!
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The engine is easily able to handle loads more power and since it is turbocharged you can add 40+ more hp for less than ~$400 with a simple boost module. While a "slushbox" it is one of the best (if not THE BEST) slushbox in the business that changes gears as quick as some dual clutch trannys. |
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However, I personally think it's nonsense to consider purchasing a $50k+ car and immediately voiding the factory warranty. Furthermore I think it's ridiculous to compliment a brand new car while basically admitting it needs more power. Also the transmission is still inferior to Porsche's PDK, which in it's 718 iteration has been around for a while (and the 718 is it's supposed competition). I admit the allure of just reflashing a turbo engine. Still silly to need to push that as an advantage for a new car. But going down that road... I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Audi TT-RS. If you want to talk about out of the gate turbo engine reflashes that car's a straight up beast
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A Porsche built to Porsche standards will be the same if built in Mexico or Germany. A Dodge Colt built to Dodge Colt standards will be the same if built in Mexico or Germany. Mexico manufacturing gained it's reputation because they built the cheap stuff stuff like the Dodge Colt. It is an unrealistic and very outdated reputation but will be the bias of many Americans forever. Those revolutionary automotive management systems that were developed in Japan back in the 60s are standard for any large company worldwide now. Our plants in Mexico are state of the art with all the same requirements as the ones in Germany, Japan or the USA. Get the picture of poor, uneducated, Juan, slapping parts together in an adobe hut for $5 a day out of your head and come into 2019.
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I believe all the Dodge Hemi engines are built in Mexico. I know mine were. |
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