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10-14-2020, 12:08 PM | #2843 | |
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I agree that the Mustang is out classed in quality by the Supra. The weight/handling, rarity and looks of the Supra make it a more appealing buy than the Mustang for me until I get to the lack of manual transmission on the Supra, and I don't buy either. Ford produces more Mustangs with a manual than Toyobaru produces in total 86s, so I am not surprised they are maintaining their manual transmissions.
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To me, there is indeed a significant difference in both the quality of the materials used, and the construction quality, between the two cars. On the Mustang the interior plastics are harder, shinier, more poorly fitted, more creaks and groans. The body panel gaps are also laughable, ranging from too tight to slip a sheet of paper between to big enough to sling a cat through. The BRZ is certainly no luxury car, and has it's share of creaks as well. But compared to my Mustang, it feels like a Lexus. The BRZ makes use of a lot of fairly inexpensive materials, but again most of them simply feel better to the touch than those in the Mustang. There is no comparison in reliability between the two cars. The Mustang has been a babied garage queen, kept covered and has less than 10k miles. Yet it's been plagued with nuisance issues since the day I bought it. Electrical gremlins, sporadically working rear view camera, hit-or-miss navigation system, and a balky recalcitrant manual transmission that's now the subject of a class action lawsuit against Ford. You may be absolutely right with your observation that 'They all hold up about equally well these days' when it comes to how long the basic engine itself will last. But the two groups of cars (Japanese vs American) certainly feel significantly different to me. After owning well over 100 cars in my life, about 1/2 of them bought new, with multiple examples of Japanese, American, and European cars, my own experiences and observations remain consistent. The engines in the American cars might last about as long as any others, but the rest of the car feels noticeably crappier getting there. YMMV. Last edited by AnalogMan; 10-15-2020 at 09:12 AM. |
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Like most things regarding cars, there is no 'right' or 'wrong'. Neither chocolate nor vanilla are right or wrong. It just depends what a buyer wants, what the priorities are. If you want maximum power and performance for the dollar, the Mustang (or other American cars) are the way to go. If you want reliability, durability, and construction quality, then Japanese sports cars will be more satisfying. Performance, quality, price. You can have any two you want. With some cars, you're lucky if you even get one. The Mustang gives you performance at a price. The BRZ/86, quality and price. If you want performance and quality, it will cost a lot more than either of those cars. You pays your money and you takes your choices. |
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It's not maintenance in the first 10,000 miles I'd be worried about. It's what happens after the warranty has expired.
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10k miles and they felt it was a milestone? Bitch please.
All the more reason to hate these lame ass car "journalists"
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