Lets learn to drive manual! Save my clutch Season 1

[Gords_zenith]

Originally Posted by brzr

Right

So I'm trying to figure out why that would be a fail

I'm not sure either. Also, to add your also not allowed to shift while going through an intersection from a stop. Just a FYI. Suberman has answered why somewhere in one of these threads lol.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by Gords_zenith

I'm not sure either. Also, to add your also not allowed to shift while going through an intersection from a stop. Just a FYI. Suberman has answered why somewhere in one of these threads lol.

Sounds like it's just easier to get tested in an automatic just to get around the BS for manuals in y'all's country.

[Gords_zenith]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Sounds like it's just easier to get tested in an automatic just to get around the BS for manuals in y'all's country.

Yup! Haha

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by Gords_zenith

Yup! Haha

Here in 'murica, at least when I was a teenager and taking my driving test, there was no choice. It was an automatic. Hell, unless you want to pay for an "exotic", you can't even rent cars here through the normal folks that aren't automatic slush boxes.

[brzr]

Originally Posted by Gords_zenith

I'm not sure either. Also, to add your also not allowed to shift while going through an intersection from a stop. Just a FYI. Suberman has answered why somewhere in one of these threads lol.

ha

curious to know why that is as well


my husband who's a manual fanatic knowitall can't answer these questions either


edit:
after some thought, this is because they wouldn't want you stalling in the middle of the intersection

[Gords_zenith]

Originally Posted by brzr

ha

curious to know why that is as well


my husband who's a manual fanatic knowitall can't answer these questions either


edit:
after some thought, this is because they wouldn't want you stalling in the middle of the intersection

Haha. Ya, I'll buy that.

[Want.FR-S]

^ Just referring the book "The Official Driver's Handbook", 2002 printed by Ontario Government. The same paragraph is used for driving through intersection or turning left or right on intersections:

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Gears: In a vehicle with manual transmission, do not shift gears crossing the intersection. If you need to, you may shift gears immediately after the vehicle is moving, but before it is well into the intersection. You may also shift gears in an intersection wider than four lanes if not doing so would slow down other traffic. Generally, not changing gears gives you more control over your vehicle.

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Luckily I did the test in automatic transmission or otherwise I would fail the exam without having any clues...

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

^ Just referring the book "The Official Driver's Handbook", 2002 printed by Ontario Government. The same paragraph is used for driving through intersection or turning left or right on intersections:

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Gears: In a vehicle with manual transmission, do not shift gears crossing the intersection. If you need to, you may shift gears immediately after the vehicle is moving, but before it is well into the intersection. You may also shift gears in an intersection wider than four lanes if not doing so would slow down other traffic. Generally, not changing gears gives you more control over your vehicle.

...

Luckily I did the test in automatic transmission or otherwise I would fail the exam without having any clues...

I agree with the book - I am trying to visualize why on earth you would be shifting from 1st to 2nd in the middle of the intersection.

Scenario #1: Starting off the line from a red to a green.
Usually I shift to second by the time I am hitting the border of the intersection on the opposite side.

Scenario #2: Starting off the line from a red to a green and turning left.
Usually I shift to second by the time I have already turned and hitting the border of the intersection to the left.

Scenario #3: Starting off the line from a red, turning right.
I come to a stop. Downshift to first, check the intersection and if clear to go, I accelerate and turn into road. I shift into second pretty much when I've completed the turn.

I can't see why I would be shifting from 1st to 2nd in mid intersection from a standstill start.

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by brzr

My question is something that I read somewhere
If you are stopped at a stoplight and you keep your car in neutral would that be an automatic fail for a license?
And why would that be?
All I can think of is that you wouldn't be as quick to react in case something comes up vs to having it in 1st already?

I could not find any reference in the "Handbook" w.r.t. this aspect. However, it did say that when approaching to a stop with manual transmission you need to gear down prior to stop. Pressing clutch and coasting is not allowed, and could be an automatic fail in G2 driving test.

... excerpt from the book.

Do not coast with your foot on the clutch pedal.

...

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by Frost

I agree with the book - I am trying to visualize why on earth you would be shifting from 1st to 2nd in the middle of the intersection.

Scenario #1: Starting off the line from a red to a green.
Usually I shift to second by the time I am hitting the border of the intersection on the opposite side.

Scenario #2: Starting off the line from a red to a green and turning left.
Usually I shift to second by the time I have already turned and hitting the border of the intersection to the left.

Scenario #3: Starting off the line from a red, turning right.
I come to a stop. Downshift to first, check the intersection and if clear to go, I accelerate and turn into road. I shift into second pretty much when I've completed the turn.

I can't see why I would be shifting from 1st to 2nd in mid intersection from a standstill start.

What RPM when you shift from 1st to 2nd gear? I typically shift at 3K and that gets me to shift during the intersection rather than the end. Granted I shift in the middle of intersection but I did not slow down or cause slow down. But I need to observe more carefully next time I am in the intersection.....

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

I could not find any reference in the "Handbook" w.r.t. this aspect. However, it did say that when approaching to a stop with manual transmission you need to gear down prior to stop. Pressing clutch and coasting is not allowed, and could be an automatic fail in G2 driving test.

... excerpt from the book.

Do not coast with your foot on the clutch pedal.

...

If you ever pop your gear in neutral at a stop, you will fail - if you took it when I did. They want you to ALWAYS be in 1st at a stop in case you need to move out of the way suddenly. Had a friend who failed it back in 96 - there was a section on the paper that says something along the lines of "Failed to remain in gear at stop" or something. Could be different now.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

What RPM when you shift from 1st to 2nd gear? I typically shift at 3K and that gets me to shift during the intersection rather than the end. Granted I shift in the middle of intersection but I did not slow down or cause slow down. But I need to observe more carefully next time I am in the intersection.....

I usually shift around 3k - keep in mind, I am referring to my daily driver in my signature.

3k from 1st means I am usually around 25-30km/hr. Given that the car is no rocket, I usually am cleared across.

I will check and give you specifics on tomorrow morning's commute.

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by Frost

If you ever pop your gear in neutral at a stop, you will fail - if you took it when I did. They want you to ALWAYS be in 1st at a stop in case you need to move out of the way suddenly. Had a friend who failed it back in 96 - there was a section on the paper that says something along the lines of "Failed to remain in gear at stop" or something. Could be different now.

That is good to know. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Frost

I usually shift around 3k - keep in mind, I am referring to my daily driver in my signature.

3k from 1st means I am usually around 25-30km/hr. Given that the car is no rocket, I usually am cleared across.

I will check and give you specifics on tomorrow morning's commute.

Funny though as I *think* I shift at 3K from 1st to 2nd, but almost all the time when I shift in a 4 lanes intersection I am always shifting in the intersection. Maybe I short-shift it...

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by Frost

If you ever pop your gear in neutral at a stop, you will fail - if you took it when I did. They want you to ALWAYS be in 1st at a stop in case you need to move out of the way suddenly. Had a friend who failed it back in 96 - there was a section on the paper that says something along the lines of "Failed to remain in gear at stop" or something. Could be different now.

Interesting. This is not required by our drivers test handbook.

In the UK, if you are stopped for any length of time you must switch off the engine and apply the handbrake.

Wonder where those driving instructors expect you to move to "suddenly" if you're stopped in a line of traffic at a red light.