Trying to decide between an ND Miata, upcoming BRZ, or Civic si

[DarkSideFRS]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Losing something completely useless to drop 25lbs and reduce cabin noise, all while no one being the wiser unless they are familiar with the 86 and know it should have rear seats. That’s ricer?

Combined with 175lbs of other weight reduction that no one not familiar with the 86 would have any idea was done besides 24lbs from bucket seats since that’s obvious. got me 200lbs of weight reduction with almost zero sacrifice besides money and my time, But losing rear seats only cost me about $50 and one weekend well worth it. Is that still ricer?

A 2900lbs car at 340 crank = 8.5lbs per hp
A 2700lbs car at 340 crank = 7.9lbs per hp

2900lbs divided by 7.9lbs per = 367 crank hp
So 200lbs weight reduction keeps my power to weight the same as
If instead I gained 27 hp.
Still ricer?

Yes. Becos race car

Not everyone here has the intention of making this car into a race car. If u are so anal about weight reduction, u should have started with the ND miata

[HKz]

I gotta say I've never once thought I needed more space with the twins. My now 11 year old boy grew up in one, had just enough space for childseats and it was perfect after he got a booster seat. I've carried TVs, ikea furniture, guitars, small coffee tables, some very large passengers...taken 4 average sized folks to vegas twice..it is a perfect only car. A Miata can be an only car if you can guarantee that you're gonna be pretty much by yourself all the time. Imagine having to pick up your 6'4 300 lbs uncle from the airport in your miata..(totally feasible in the twin). Miata works best if you got other cars.. Civic Si is cool if you don't care for RWD..

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

Yes. Becos race car

Not everyone here has the intention of making this car into a race car. If u are so anal about weight reduction, u should have started with the ND miata

Like i said 200lbs with zero negative impact to daily driving, many actually adding comforts. Hardly race car. Just getting rid of useless things and changing one thing for a lighter thing. Only down side is money.


I wish, have a time machine? Although the 2019s weren’t out when i got my 2017.

[DarkSideFRS]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Like i said 200lbs with zero negative impact to daily driving, many actually adding comforts. Hardly race car. Just getting rid of useless things and changing one thing for a lighter thing. Only down side is money.


I wish, have a time machine? Although the 2019s weren’t out when i got my 2017.

It's 2021 now and it's doesn't sound like money is an issue for u. What's stopping u from getting the ND Miata now?

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

It's 2021 now and it's doesn't sound like money is an issue for u. What's stopping u from getting the ND Miata now?

Because I got the ultimate gtr killer sleeper family sedan instead.
Infiniti AWD Q50
Kind of the exact opposite “sports car” compared to a brz/miata.

If it wasn’t for the kid’s I’d get a 400z once released.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Maybe I’m just a nice person, I would never subject a grown adult into fitting in the rear for any amount of time. At least with the miata it isn’t even an option so you don’t need to come off as a **** trying to explain how no one over 4ft tall should ever attempt to get in the rear unless they are masochist, you could avoid that discussion all together with a miata.

As far as everything you’ve fit in the trunk. Assuming based on this being his first car he is younger probably 16-20, no kids, and the need to transport all that stuff mentioned is probably rare to non existent.

A lot of good adjectives I’d describe the 86/brz, practical is not one.

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Sounds like if one has no kids. A miata is the way to go.

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Point was miata’s storage space is adequate enough 99% of the time a brz would be. I aint moving or picking up a big screen Tv with a brz. I think and would hope most people have access to a more practical truck or suv when needing to haul stuff whether their own or someone they know. Most of the time the necessary cargo space is a random gym bag, school bag, groceries, hat sunglasses etc... in which a miata can do no problem.

So a brz really only gains rear seats which again are almost useless and most people I would hope have another option to not need to use the rear seats.

Based on your posts, it's pretty clear you having a CX5, you never have to think about the options a fold-down back seat offers you. Not everyone has access to someone else's car to haul something (which happens more often than you expect) For someone with only 1 car, the BRZ will give OP a lot more flexibility.

"At least with a miata it isn't even an option..." So, you you're not a jerk to someone by saying you can't fit them in your 2 seater, yet it's okay to bother people every time you want to haul something around that any other car with a back seat can hold?

We may have to agree to disagree. But a lot of people here have said the BRZ/86 is fine for young kids, hauling things, and bringing people around in a pinch.

[why?]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

I hate convertibles as well. But miata can hardtop.

The 2 times you used the back seat was it the only option avalanches?
Or was it something like people just wanting to check out the car and go for a ride, or other people drove to lunch the last 370 times so you said F it get in the back I’ll drive?

It was sit in my car or be the 7th and 8th person in a mini van. Hell I took out the passenger seat for a year or so and never ran into a time when someone would have needed it.

[ZDan]

TIL that Miata is more practical because you don't have to explain to people that they can't ride in back because there are no back seats (weirdly this has never been an issue for me way back in 2019 when I used to go to lunch with co-workers...). Also learned that FT86 rear seat area is "useless", which I wish I would have known before I violated the law and used that space to transport race wheels/tires to the track a buncha times.

I love the Miata. It is objectively less practical. I do wish they'd make a fixed-roof coupe or hatch version. RF looks cool but is $$$$ and weight

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by ZDan

TIL that Miata is more practical because you don't have to explain to people that they can't ride in back because there are no back seats (weirdly this has never been an issue for me way back in 2019 when I used to go to lunch with co-workers...). Also learned that FT86 rear seat area is "useless", which I wish I would have known before I violated the law and used that space to transport race wheels/tires to the track a buncha times.

I love the Miata. It is objectively less practical. I do wish they'd make a fixed-roof coupe or hatch version. RF looks cool but is $$$$ and weight

Posts should be tailored to the OP,
1st car and likes the miata most
Doesn’t plan on carrying too much stuff.
Wants a fun car for turns.
His order of needs are fun>reliable>practical

Hasn’t posted since.

Based on his entire post I deduced and assume (but very well could be wrong)

He is younger with no kids and doesn’t plan on tracking the car or using it to haul things around.

Based on that the only real practical thing a brz can do that a miata can’t is the brz has back seats that would primarily be used for adults. Adults who I’m assuming have vehicles of their own and like everyone i know when i drive the 86 and not the cx5 refuse to get in the back and would rather we take their car instead.

I tried taking my wife and son 1 time years ago first and only time the rear was ever used. Eventually just removed them as i knew they’d never be used again.

Yes if you track the car you can use space for tires, tools, etc.. that the Miata can’t do, but I don’t think OP is tracking the car hence why using it for tires and tools wasn’t in the discussion.

99% of the time for general daily needs like groceries, duffel bag, laptop, backpack, hat, umbrella, random paperwork, that kind of stuff the miata is more than capable of. Unless OP responds and states otherwise, the miata will be practically just as practical as the brz for the OP. Maybe not for you or other individuals posting.

[x808drifter]

Miata can totally bring track goodies along with it.

[DarkSideFRS]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Because I got the ultimate gtr killer sleeper family sedan instead.
Infiniti AWD Q50
Kind of the exact opposite “sports car” compared to a brz/miata.

If it wasn’t for the kid’s I’d get a 400z once released.

You're talking cars that cost over $50k new...

[beltax90]

the nd miata feels just as fun as the gt86 in assetto corsa.

just thought i'd throw in my .02 cents

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

You're talking cars that cost over $50k new...

2017 AWD Q50 premium w/ premium+ Package, nav system, splash guards, fully tinted, 36k miles, 1 owner, clean title, $24k dealer / $26k OTD, New MSRP sticker $48,500

You can get signature rwd for under $40k new all day.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

BRZ and reliability don't belong in the same sentence. Absolutely love the ND but not practical as the primary car. The SI is not bad. Lots of mods out there, very reliable and FWD for easy winter driving

Ok hang on, how is the BRZ not reliable. As long as you get a 2014+ there shouldn’t be any problems. I and think even the reliability issues with 2013’s are blown out of proportion. If the OP is referring to a 2nd gen, you would always run a small risk of first year issues with the new version of the FA24. Not enough to keep me away from it though.
But as a daily driver in New York, I would vote for the Civic Si. It’s practical, fun, reliable (aside from some blow by oil issues with the turbo engine), and should be ok in the winter. FWD is better than RWD in bad weather conditions for a new driver. IMO
The ND Miata wouldn’t even be a consideration, unless it’s a weekend car. Too small, no storage, and the RF hardtop option gets pricey.


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