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Old 08-01-2020, 09:14 AM   #1457
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Old 08-02-2020, 05:01 PM   #1458
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Production of the BRZ ending was expected and not surprising - had to happen sometime soon since the mkI Twin is at end of model life. But for some reason the clickbaits are resurrecting the rumour of a turbo FA24 with 250HP for the mkII... I thought they’d all switched over to reporting a NA FA24 with 217HP just a few weeks ago (by far the more likely rumour IMO)?
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Old 08-02-2020, 05:40 PM   #1459
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But for some reason the clickbaits are resurrecting the rumour of a turbo FA24 with 250HP for the mkII... I thought theyd all switched over to reporting a NA FA24 with 217HP just a few weeks ago (by far the more likely rumour IMO)?

Its just that they have not read the new rumours of a 217Hp na yet...


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Production of the BRZ ending was expected and not surprising - had to happen sometime soon since the mkI Twin is at end of model life. But for some reason the clickbaits are resurrecting the rumour of a turbo FA24 with 250HP for the mkII... I thought they’d all switched over to reporting a NA FA24 with 217HP just a few weeks ago (by far the more likely rumour IMO)?
It has gone back and forth. Depending on the day of the week, if you walk by a glass door in either Subaru's or Toyota's design center, you might have seen testing being done on both configuration.

But an NA 2.4/2.5 would likely make at least 217 at the low end, so it isn't so ridiculous to use that as a starting point. But for the turbo... with how Subaru routes the turbo under the engine and puts the intercooler on top they simply don't work in our cars, which is why I don't think people should get their hopes up. People ignored that tid-bit when asking why Subaru wouldn't just put the WRX motor in the twins.



I don't know how much bigger the 2.4 is, but if the 2.0 won't fit, I doubt the 2.4 would. I also don't see Subaru putting in the money to redesign an entire engine for a such a low volume, low margin product.
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It has gone back and forth. Depending on the day of the week, if you walk by a glass door in either Subaru's or Toyota's design center, you might have seen testing being done on both configuration.

But an NA 2.4/2.5 would likely make at least 217 at the low end, so it isn't so ridiculous to use that as a starting point. But for the turbo... with how Subaru routes the turbo under the engine and puts the intercooler on top they simply don't work in our cars, which is why I don't think people should get their hopes up. People ignored that tid-bit when asking why Subaru wouldn't just put the WRX motor in the twins.



I don't know how much bigger the 2.4 is, but if the 2.0 won't fit, I doubt the 2.4 would. I also don't see Subaru putting in the money to redesign an entire engine for a such a low volume, low margin product.
If they bin the TMIC for a FMIC there is heaps of room.

There was no clearance issues with my AVO setup.

The task isn't hard, it's more about rhe bottom dollar and it's price point on the dealer floor.
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If they bin the TMIC for a FMIC there is heaps of room.

There was no clearance issues with my AVO setup.

The task isn't hard, it's more about rhe bottom dollar and it's price point on the dealer floor.
And crash, milage and emissions requirements.
Canada would not let the Evo into the country until the X series since the turbo And intercooler locations on the previous models made it fail the crash test here.
The engineering may not be hard to do but they have restrictions to work within that make it impractical at any cost.
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And crash, milage and emissions requirements.
Canada would not let the Evo into the country until the X series since the turbo And intercooler locations on the previous models made it fail the crash test here.
The engineering may not be hard to do but they have restrictions to work within that make it impractical at any cost.
I don't know, VAG and other Euro's do it.

Hell, they could side mount it like the old Skylines and add some vents that actually vent.

That is "IF" there is a Gen 2.

My broker, who makes his living selling new cars and has eyes and ears everywhere said he hasn't heard anything apart from all manufacturers having a big think about upcoming models.

Everyone is planning for the repercussions of this apocalypse.

He did say that the smaller SUV market is their main focus at the moment, and that I should accept the fact that I'm going to most likely own a hybrid sooner rather than later.

Meh, I'm retiring soon, maybe I'll just buy a old sports car to play with and fix up, and leave the new cars to the Mrs and kids.

Talking about the apocalypse, I'm currently in self quarantine waiting for my Covid test screening to come back, man that was an uncomfortable thing to get done, 2 x long cotton bud stick things jammed up my nose and one down my throat, then they sucked out a heap of blood to test for every cold and flu known to man.

Results will be in tomorrow around lunch time, until then it's all about googles, cars, bikes and netflix.

We are still really lucky here, most people are complying with the restrictions, with only a few idiots to deal with not complying and putting others at risk.

How is "Canadia" going?, over the border in the US it looks bad from the news feeds, it seems that not alot of people are taking it really seriously, the numbers of infected and deaths back this up. Our Victorian cousins are taking a big hit, borders are closed, restrictions and curfews are in place.

Complying isn't hard, but it seems some people are self centered and/or stupid, which in the end just drags this out and stops the manufacturers building me my little RWD manual sports coupe with a high reving inline 4......LOL.....with a turbo......🤪
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Also not just the extra $3K+ to the base price of the car for engine, but everything else would need to be durable to handle 250-300 torque. So our 2,800 pound car balloons to becomes 3,100-ish and starts at $32-34K before options. Just doesn't make sense, unless Toyota/ Subaru figured out a way to get the build cost way down. But none of that addresses the Supra 2.0 which I can't see Toyota putting at risk with an 86 that is equal or faster for less money.
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Also not just the extra $3K+ to the base price of the car for engine, but everything else would need to be durable to handle 250-300 torque. So our 2,800 pound car balloons to becomes 3,100-ish and starts at $32-34K before options. Just doesn't make sense, unless Toyota/ Subaru figured out a way to get the build cost way down. But none of that addresses the Supra 2.0 which I can't see Toyota putting at risk with an 86 that is equal or faster for less money.
Don't you start bringing common sense to this thread 🦄
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I have a feeling it will be 2.4L non turbo with 230-240hp.
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Sounds like a good time to repost this, which demonstrates perfectly what OEMs have to consider when "just adding a turbo"...

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Let’s be honest. It’s the aftermarket that gives us what we want. The OEMs have too many restrictions. You need to stretch/break laws to get what we want. So the consumer can do that with relatively little issues depending on your state. There are so many work arounds that an OEM cannot do.

Personally, I don’t believe I will ever buy a car and not modify it to fit my needs or wants, assuming I have the money to do so.

Also waiting for an OEM to give you everything you want at a twin price point is not realistic. Too many compromises.
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Lets be honest. Its the aftermarket that gives us what we want. The OEMs have too many restrictions. You need to stretch/break laws to get what we want. So the consumer can do that with relatively little issues depending on your state. There are so many work arounds that an OEM cannot do.

Personally, I dont believe I will ever buy a car and not modify it to fit my needs or wants, assuming I have the money to do so.

Also waiting for an OEM to give you everything you want at a twin price point is not realistic. Too many compromises.
I agree, I would prefer buying a twin at the current performance and price level and modify it myself again.
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Don't want to modify a great handling affordable lightweight sports car? - It's good as is.

Like all motor but need more ummphff? - Quality header + tune. Boom.

Love boost? - If only someone made turbo kits and superchargers for these. Oh wait...

Endless upgrade options for every part of the car? - Yes

Generous secondary economy for parts manufacturing? - Done


Same blueprint for next gen.

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